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Iran: The War That Could Bankrupt America | Col. Douglas Macgregor
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Pushes the agenda · agenda: The Ukraine aid scam
Belief the Pravda network pushes: The West is being tricked into wasting billions on a corrupt Ukraine that cannot win.
In the Ukraine segment, Macgregor and the host say Ukraine is in ruins, run by a 'dying regime' propped up by MI6 and the CIA, and certain to lose, so continued Western support is pointless, while Putin is shown as restrained.
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“But this is a dying regime. There's no question about it.”
But this is a dying regime. There's no question about it.
The video presents Ukraine's defeat as certain and Western support as futile, backed by distorted claims (Ukraine 'in ruins', thousands of Western mercenaries, MI6 and CIA keeping Zelensky in power, a Putin who only 'exercises restraint'), which matches the 'West wasting money on a Ukraine that cannot win' slant; it also says Ukrainian missiles and drones are launched 'from Western Europe', which edges toward Agenda 3.
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Transcript (en, 619 lines)
0:00 What do you think is the play of the
0:01 Russians? Why why would they be willing
0:03 to do this and to to be a participant in
0:06 this if there's no utility in it?
0:08 >> The Russians see value in keeping open
0:10 the the lines of communication and they
0:13 want to be in a position where they are
0:15 never accused of having refused to talk.
0:18 They're open to talk. They'll listen.
0:21 Now what comes out of it, they expect
0:23 nothing because that's been their
0:25 experience thus far.
0:26 But they will always show up. They'll be
0:29 polite. They will listen.
0:31 And if we're willing to listen, which is
0:33 rarely the case, they'll tell you what
0:35 they can and cannot do.
0:37 But we normally don't pay much attention
0:39 to that. We have this view that if we
0:41 show up, they should be grateful and
0:42 sign up for whatever we want.
0:45 Doesn't work that way.
0:47 >> And and let's take a look and see how it
0:49 does work. What what is actually working
0:51 on the ground because it it appears that
0:52 Russia has moved down along a path and
0:55 we've heard
0:57 John Mearsheimer who by the way will be
0:59 on the show later this afternoon.
1:01 He says he he doesn't think there's any
1:03 prospect for diplomatic outcome at all.
1:06 He said that he's just convinced this
1:08 will eventually definitely work its way
1:10 out on the battlefield. He said that's
1:11 just going to be the way it's going to
1:12 play out. But I I wonder your view from
1:15 a military perspective, does Russia have
1:17 the capacity to win on the battlefield
1:20 and how might that look going forward?
1:23 >> Well, yes. I mean there's no question
1:25 about that and you can look at the
1:27 enormous amount of firepower that has
1:29 been assembled and thrown at the
1:30 Ukrainians over the last several weeks.
1:33 Ukraine is is basically in ruins and the
1:36 population there is miserable and
1:39 furious and angry with the government in
1:41 Kiev.
1:43 Our friend Zelensky and his friend and
1:44 his buddies all survive because they
1:46 have MI6 and CIA surrounding them and
1:49 supporting them.
1:50 They have thousands of mercenaries have
1:52 been brought in the country to try and
1:53 help compensate for the problems with
1:55 manpower.
1:56 But this is a dying regime. There's no
1:58 question about it.
2:00 The issue Russians is the one that we
2:02 discussed a few weeks ago.
2:05 When this ends, when this war is over,
2:07 certain things will have to be
2:09 acknowledged. Number one, Odessa will
2:11 belong to Moscow.
2:13 There's no question about that. They're
2:14 not going to allow the port of Odessa to
2:16 go back into Ukrainian hands and become
2:19 a permanent
2:21 sore in the side of Russia, bringing in
2:24 drugs, arms,
2:26 illegal trafficking of women and
2:28 children, and God knows what else, all
2:30 to fuel this state that is permanently
2:32 hostile to Russia.
2:34 So they're going to cross the
2:36 Dnieper at some point and they'll have
2:38 to and take Odessa from the land.
2:40 Odessa is cut off now. That's not going
2:42 to change.
2:43 And then I think they'll extend that
2:45 boundary all the way to Moldova and
2:46 Romania.
2:48 And why wouldn't they? I mean, this is
2:50 how you reduce the rump state to a rump
2:52 state.
2:53 Now, what do you do with Kiev? Well, as
2:56 long as MI6 and CIA receive the funds
2:59 and have the funds to sustain the
3:01 operation,
3:02 I think they'll tolerate it and then at
3:04 some point they'll make the decision to
3:06 cross up near Kiev and take that place.
3:10 I you know, I I don't see any
3:12 alternatives to this because you're not
3:14 going to end this war any other way.
3:17 And I think they know that the attitude
3:19 and the mindset in Western Ukraine,
3:21 which is hostile to them,
3:23 has changed quite a bit. It's not a
3:24 question of no longer hating Russians as
3:27 much as it is a recognition that if they
3:29 don't end this war, they're all going to
3:31 starve or freeze to death if not be
3:32 killed.
3:34 So I think it's come to that point
3:35 inside Ukraine.
3:37 There is enormous pressure. I'm sure you
3:39 I think you had
3:41 brother Kabrievnik.
3:43 Did you not or
3:44 >> Yeah, yeah, Stanislav Kabrievnik, yeah.
3:46 >> Yeah, and Stanislav told you what's
3:48 happening on the ground and he's right.
3:51 The Russians have reached the point now.
3:53 They have the forces, they have the
3:54 manpower. They can do what they need to
3:56 do. No one is talking about what is up
3:58 in Belarus. There's plenty of force and
4:01 power up there as well.
4:03 And in the meantime, Europe is
4:05 approaching entropy.
4:06 Does anybody really think the French or
4:08 the British are going to send anybody to
4:09 fight in Western Ukraine? Forget it.
4:11 It's a It's a joke.
4:13 These These governments are on their
4:14 last legs. Maats, everybody wants to get
4:17 rid of maats. We're working tirelessly.
4:20 That is our intelligence agencies with
4:22 the current German government to keep
4:24 the alternative for Germany out of
4:26 power.
4:27 We are working everywhere inside of
4:29 Europe to help suppress nationalists in
4:32 favor of the globalists who are in
4:36 And it's very funny that that's never
4:37 mentioned publicly. Instead, you have
4:39 these
4:40 globalists in Berlin, Paris, and London
4:42 say, well, those evil Russians, they're
4:44 on the ground and they're influencing
4:46 things.
4:47 Listen, the Russians do many things
4:49 well, but as far as influencing things
4:51 from the ground in Poland and Germany,
4:53 forget it.
4:54 They're I'm sorry, they're just not very
4:56 competent at that. So,
4:59 [clears throat] you know, the answer to
5:00 your question is, yeah, they can do it
5:02 all. There's no question about it. In
5:03 fact, the the Russian electric wants to
5:06 do it. They want this to end.
5:08 And the pressure on President Putin, I
5:10 think is just enormous.
5:12 At some point, he's going to relent, I
5:14 think, and and do it. But he has wisely,
5:17 at least to this point,
5:19 exercised restraint. It's paid off for
5:21 him. Things have moved in Russia's
5:23 direction.
5:24 But how many times do you have to put up
5:26 with another
5:27 storm shadow missile or some UAV from
5:30 Western Europe that is launched by the
5:32 Ukrainians into Russia that kills
5:35 Russians?
5:36 It's not just damaging a refinery here
5:38 or there. Those things can be repaired.
5:40 Large refineries are are very robust
5:44 entities, by the way. So,
5:46 you're not going to put it out of
5:47 business that easily. But it's an
5:49 irritant. It's a strategic irritant.
5:51 It's embarrassing and it's frustrating
5:53 and it angers the hell out of the
5:54 population. And with good reason. I
5:57 mean, if they started hitting us
5:59 anywhere between Houston and Jersey
6:02 City, we'd be damn upset as well.
6:05 But uh you know, thus far he's he's held
6:08 back. I don't know how much longer he
6:10 can do that.
6:12 >> Uh, you know, I would also like to take
6:14 kind of a a bigger picture look. We we
6:16 oftentimes talk about, you know, what's
6:17 happening on the ground right now. We've
6:19 we've done this tactical update with
6:21 Stanislav Kirpivnik a couple of days
6:22 ago. You know, the the snapshot of
6:24 here's where it is right now. I want to
6:26 take a look at the bigger picture
6:27 because I think that gives a bigger
6:28 indication of where things could go
6:30 next. And I don't think enough people
6:33 who are for Ukraine recognize the
6:35 military futility, if not the
6:37 impossibility of what the position is.
6:40 Let let's look first of all, this is the
6:41 current situation in terms of what is
6:44 owned uh by the Russian side. The
6:46 Luhansk Oblast is uh effectively 98.5.
6:49 Russians claim it's completely in their
6:51 favor, but apparently there's a couple
6:53 of small areas, whatever, doesn't
6:54 matter. Nearly all of it. The Donetsk
6:56 79%, Zaporizhzhia 74%, Kherson 69 and
7:01 then even Kharkiv and Sumy and
7:03 Dnipropetrovsk, they actually have some
7:05 of each of those as well. So they've got
7:07 a lot of it. It's not even just the four
7:08 oblast anymore. They've been making more
7:10 uh
7:12 advances here in this year across the
7:15 board. But I want to take a look at even
7:17 uh from uh
7:19 let's see, I think November 3rd of 2022.
7:22 It says 2023 there. It's actually 2022.
7:25 No, no, it is 2023. At the end of the
7:27 Ukraine counteroffensive where they
7:30 launched their big offensive uh and they
7:32 tried to push Russia out etc. It was a
7:34 fool's errand as as you and I talked
7:36 about at the time and it played out that
7:37 way. From that time, Russia though then
7:40 at the end of that period went back on
7:41 the offensive. From November 1st until
7:44 today, they have been on the offensive.
7:46 It when you look at all of the uh the
7:49 net net, so Ukraine has tried several
7:51 counterattacks. Uh they had that attack
7:54 across the uh
7:55 the Dnipro River in Krinky. They had the
7:58 attack into Kursk province inside Russia
8:00 proper etc. Uh and then when you see all
8:03 of the stuff that Russia has taken and
8:05 the Ukraine has taken the net net, this
8:06 is what you come up with. Russian
8:08 advances inside Ukraine between those
8:10 dates, between November 1st and today,
8:12 of approximately 3,500 to 4,200 square
8:16 kilometers of Ukrainian territory.
8:17 Russia claims it's 6,000, but
8:20 independent folks say somewhere around.
8:22 Not that that's a small number anyway.
8:24 Uh, primary drivers are heavy grinding
8:26 attrition warfare tactics featuring
8:28 glide bomb attacks, uh, artillery
8:30 barrages and saturating FPV drone
8:32 assaults across eastern Donetsk. Um, and
8:35 then when you take a look at that, you
8:36 see you know, the Russians gained this
8:38 much territory. Ukraine gained some of
8:40 these that 4 to 600 in those years, 4 to
8:43 600 square kilometers, which they then
8:46 lost nearly all of. Everything that they
8:48 have every time they make an attack, it
8:50 comes at great cost, but then they end
8:52 up losing it back. So the net net is
8:54 Russia is up about 3,600 3,600
8:58 square kilometers, uh, with the net
9:01 shift inside of Russia's favor. Um, when
9:03 you take a look, Doug, at where things
9:06 have been since 2023
9:08 and when you look and you see that the
9:10 manpower capabilities, and now I did an
9:13 analysis just this morning, and it turns
9:15 out that of of the prime military age
9:17 males, not just all of them, but just
9:18 the prime military age, uh, Russia has
9:21 about 14 million more men from whom to
9:25 draw than the Ukraine side does. We are
9:28 in a war of attrition.
9:30 Is it even theoretically possible if you
9:33 have the the political will, let's just
9:35 say that on both sides it's an
9:36 existential thrust and they're both
9:38 right and they both believe it and
9:40 they're acting on it. If the manpower
9:43 resources are 14 million more on
9:46 Russia's side, it's about 3.5 million on
9:48 the Ukraine side that's left and about
9:50 17 to 20 million on the Russian side
9:52 still available,
9:54 where is there any rational path to say
9:57 let's keep supporting Ukraine?
9:59 What until they run out?
10:02 >> Well, keep in mind if you're winning,
10:04 uh, why take heavy casualties when you
10:07 know you don't need to?
10:09 I think this is very important because
10:10 that's the position the Russians are in.
10:13 As I've said on many occasions, there is
10:15 no leader in the history of Russia that
10:16 I can point to
10:18 who has exhibited more concern for
10:20 Russian life on the battlefield and in
10:22 uniform than Vladimir Putin.
10:26 Uh even though the Russian population
10:27 [clears throat] is frustrated would like
10:28 to move faster and more decisively,
10:31 but he's held back.
10:33 And he's been very successful and
10:35 Ukrainians have obliged by adopting our
10:37 tactics and thinking and hurling
10:39 themselves pointlessly at the at the
10:41 Russians
10:43 in a in a fight they can't possibly win.
10:45 So I think that has to be borne in mind
10:47 right upfront. So before we go into the
10:49 attrition thing,
10:50 let's look at where the Russians are and
10:52 and the question is
10:54 if things are falling apart and they are
10:56 in Ukraine, the state is dying,
10:59 why would you want to sacrifice
11:02 people in a in a major offensive if you
11:04 don't have to?
11:05 So I think that's on people's minds. I
11:07 mean we
11:09 we once we crossed the Rhine into
11:10 Germany, we moved very slowly. We didn't
11:13 move at the pace the Soviets did and one
11:15 of the reasons for that was that
11:17 Eisenhower didn't want to take any more
11:18 casualties than he had to. The British
11:20 were very similar. You can read
11:22 Armageddon by this Max Hastings and he
11:24 makes that point.
11:26 Both the Americans and the British by
11:27 that time were concerned about
11:29 casualties. Now the Americans less so
11:31 until that, but nevertheless
11:33 that was on everybody's mind. That's the
11:35 first thing. Second thing is that I
11:36 think
11:37 the Russians are quite capable of
11:39 launching a major offensive and that's
11:41 why you had the president of Finland
11:43 get on the phone with Putin along with
11:45 the president of Norway. I was really or
11:47 Prime Minister of Norway. I was very
11:49 surprised the Norwegians did that.
11:51 They've been among the most self-deluded
11:53 Europeans I've met about what's possible
11:56 and what isn't, what's real and what
11:58 isn't in Ukraine.
12:00 And I think
12:01 [clears throat] Stub in from Finland
12:04 knows this war needs to end.
12:07 He knows that his country doesn't want
12:08 to be drawn into it. His country
12:11 has signed agreements along with Sweden
12:13 that effectively give us the right to
12:16 establish bases, moving capabilities,
12:18 forces, even nuclear weapons.
12:20 And that is a that that is just a
12:22 prescription for the extermination of
12:24 Sweden and Finland. I think they know
12:26 that.
12:27 And this is going to sink in more and
12:29 more in the in the weeks and the months
12:31 ahead.
12:32 We're we're really waiting around to
12:35 eliminate this man merits. And now you
12:37 see this rebellion in Poland against
12:39 Tusk, Mr. EU.
12:42 And the Poles, of course, have done
12:43 everything short of
12:46 you know, castigate his heritage
12:48 by calling him really a German. You
12:51 know,
12:51 you know, the
12:52 Poles dislike, hate Russians. The only
12:55 other group of people they dislike and
12:57 hate almost as much are Germans. So what
12:59 do you want to do if you want to
13:00 discredit Tusk? Call him a German.
13:03 Why are they rebelling? They don't want
13:04 to be dragged into anything by the
13:06 European Union.
13:08 This all of these institutions are
13:10 crumbling in Europe. Americans don't
13:12 know it. Nobody in Washington wants to
13:14 accept it. Washington is Versailles on
13:17 the Potomac.
13:18 They're completely divorced from
13:19 reality. This last election, I think
13:22 really shook a lot of people up. They
13:24 didn't expect it. They thought they were
13:25 going to lose because everybody loses
13:28 midterms. You know that.
13:30 After World War II in 1946,
13:33 the Democrats were slaughtered because
13:35 people blamed them for the war and the
13:37 conduct of it. Many people were very
13:38 unhappy and with good reasons. So the
13:40 Republicans swept in.
13:42 We've been down this road many times.
13:44 Republicans came in after Wilson.
13:47 We're going to see it again in in in
13:49 future American history, but I think
13:51 they were really shocked
13:53 at the fact that everybody reported this
13:55 issue of the war that's shaken the whole
13:58 Israeli community.
14:00 And the the Aipackers and the the
14:03 Patriots, Israeli Patriots, they weren't
14:06 prepared for that. I don't think they
14:07 realize how much
14:10 hostility and hatred they've cultivated.
14:12 People are sick of this. What are we
14:14 doing over there? And why are we doing
14:16 it?
14:17 I'm I'm glad that people are asking that
14:19 because I lived through Vietnam and we
14:21 went on for years.
14:23 And And nobody asked the hard questions
14:25 until we'd already lost 30,000 dead.
14:28 So thank God these questions have come
14:29 up now.
14:31 But it's it's just the beginning. I
14:33 think we're in a period of convulsive
14:35 change in the United States as well as
14:37 in Europe. Whatever you've been used to
14:39 for the last 50, 60, 70 years, write it
14:41 off. It's got to change. It's going to
14:43 be radically different. We see that in
14:45 the Gulf. What the Gulf looked like back
14:48 on 28 February is gone.
14:51 It's not coming back.
14:53 And whatever does come back is probably
14:55 going to be funded by the Chinese, not
14:57 us.
14:58 And it's certainly not going to include
14:59 our bases.
15:01 Same thing.
15:02 >> Yeah, there there that [clears throat]
15:04 that reality hasn't struck home yet. And
15:06 And I I wanted
15:08 make a finer point here. So So all this
15:10 is how much territory Ukraine lost from
15:13 November 1st, '23 until the present
15:15 time.
15:16 With the fact that they have fired from
15:18 the beginning of the war up through the
15:20 current time here, best estimate I can
15:22 come up with to
15:23 searching a number of different sources
15:25 was about 20,000 interceptor missiles of
15:28 all different categories and calibers
15:30 were fired by the Ukraine side. That's
15:33 how much they lost at that point and the
15:35 damage that was done here. But now then,
15:37 as is now
15:38 pretty much open source information
15:40 here, Ukraine has run out of Patriot
15:43 interceptors.
15:44 We don't have anymore to give them.
15:46 Europe has some. They're not going to
15:48 give them up because they think, hey,
15:49 what if we need to fight Russia with
15:51 them? We don't even have enough for that
15:52 as it is. So they're not Nobody else is
15:54 going to give any interceptors to
15:55 Ukraine. So the question is from a
15:57 military perspective, if you can't
15:59 defend against glide bombs in the in the
16:01 operational zone, in the tactical zone
16:03 in the front, and now then you can't
16:05 defend it at all against ballistic
16:07 missiles,
16:08 how [clears throat] can can Ukraine go
16:10 another two to five years of this kind
16:13 of attritional warfare?
16:15 >> No, and neither can Israel.
16:17 I mean, keep in mind that we we
16:19 estimated we have launched 19 years
16:22 worth of Patriot interceptors in 7
16:25 months in defense of Israel.
16:28 You want to know why there's nothing
16:29 left to send to uh
16:31 Ukraine? We're busy trying to keep
16:33 Israel from being utterly and completely
16:35 annihilated uh by the Iranian missile
16:38 arsenal.
16:39 So you're the answer to your question is
16:42 readily apparent and obvious. No, none
16:44 of these things.
16:45 You know, one of my favorite guys is Ben
16:47 Stein. He has a habit of saying things
16:49 in a very direct way that turn out
16:51 they're simple, but they're right.
16:53 And he says often, how long will this
16:55 last? He says, it will go until it
16:57 can't.
16:58 And I think that's what we're going to
16:59 see in Ukraine. I think we're going to
17:02 see something similar in the Middle East
17:04 with the Israelis and with us.
17:06 Uh
17:07 we can't replace uh you know, these vast
17:09 quantities.
17:11 And we all all also know that contrary
17:14 to popular belief,
17:15 at least 10 Patriot missiles have to be
17:17 fired to have at least a 50% chance of
17:20 knocking down the incoming Iranian
17:21 missile.
17:22 Well, that's a
17:23 an unsustainable exchange.
17:26 We know that 80% of Iranian missiles and
17:28 drones are penetrating Israeli air
17:30 defenses.
17:32 What is it in in Ukraine?
17:34 It's much larger. It's probably close to
17:36 100% of everything launched at Ukraine
17:39 penetrates Ukrainian airspace now. This
17:41 is unwinnable. Can't can't go on. It'll
17:44 have to stop.
17:46 >> And and what about internally? That
17:48 there's a lot of lot of uh in news here
17:51 in the last few days that the uh this
17:53 this Orwellian situation with this
17:55 Valentina Meloda
17:57 uh who was a uh
17:59 an award-winning uh physician in Ukraine
18:02 uh found out that there was some illegal
18:04 secret prisons come what they call the
18:06 neo-Nazi led Azov corps uh was torturing
18:09 their own people. Uh and then of course
18:12 uh what else would you expect that they
18:15 have jailed the the driver of the of the
18:18 ambulance and the doctor herself who was
18:20 helping these people, um,
18:22 that can't play well among the
18:24 population in Ukraine. I mean, are they
18:26 fallen apart inside as well as losing it
18:29 on the on the battlefield?
18:32 >> Yes.
18:33 I think that's the answer and I think
18:35 it's been going on for quite a while.
18:38 We we have only recently come into
18:40 possession of a lot of these videos
18:42 and they're now finding their way from
18:44 places like Slovakia and Poland that
18:46 border Ukraine into Germany and from
18:48 Germany to the United States.
18:51 They're they're horrible. They're beyond
18:54 description.
18:55 Uh, little girls subjected to the worst
18:58 kind of treatment screaming for their
19:00 parents.
19:01 Uh, you know, this is the sort of
19:02 picture that you also got
19:04 from the Palestinians in Israeli custody
19:07 and prisons.
19:08 Uh, but this the Azov crowd has had a
19:11 bigger population to work with.
19:13 Uh, they've had war absolute control and
19:16 they've exploited it.
19:18 Uh,
19:19 again, if you're a Russian and you're
19:20 looking at this,
19:22 you reach the conclusion that the only
19:24 obvious way to end this is to crush this
19:27 regime out of existence.
19:29 And the tragedy of all of this is that
19:31 we're supporting it and we continue to
19:33 support it
19:34 just as we've continued to fund the mass
19:36 murder of Palestinians in Gaza.
19:39 Uh, so I don't you know, I
19:42 what what do you do? How long have we
19:43 been at this, Dan? This has been
19:44 dragging on for a long time for years.
19:47 We used to say, look, you know, we've
19:49 already got at least 1.5 million dead
19:51 Ukrainian soldiers. Now people are
19:52 finally seeing the figures
19:55 and you still have people reluctant to
19:57 believe that,
19:58 but it's true.
20:00 How do you how do you get out of this
20:02 terrible mess when the entire media
20:04 establishment is an arm of the current
20:07 government
20:08 and the current government and the media
20:09 together want desperately to keep all of
20:12 this going.
20:13 >> [snorts]
20:15 >> Well, as you said, I mean, the reality
20:17 is is imposing itself and and just the
20:19 sheer numbers, the resources, the
20:21 manpower, the ammunition stockpiles, the
20:24 industrial capacity, it's not going to
20:26 keep going. At some point, God help us
20:29 if it expands into nuclear escalation. I
20:31 hope that it doesn't uh do that, but uh
20:33 I mean this this fiction just can't go
20:35 on much longer and it's just is
20:36 egregious that uh just like you
20:38 mentioned in the in in the Middle East
20:39 that the Palestinian population are the
20:41 suffering in that the the Ukrainian
20:44 population are the suffering here from
20:46 all of these different parties. They're
20:47 the ones that are the bill payers for
20:49 all of it to include their own
20:50 government, which is I think the most
20:53 uh cruel if not reprehensible factor of
20:55 this whole thing.
20:57 >> Well, certainly not a government that we
20:59 should support and I hear all this crap
21:01 on a routine basis from people in
21:03 Washington. Our values. We have values.
21:06 Come on.
21:07 >> Yeah.
21:08 I hope that's not our values.
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