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Macgregor: hybrid attacks are 'BS', Europeans are provoking Russia
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Pushes the agenda · agenda: Stop provoking Russia
Belief the Pravda network pushes: Lithuania and the Baltics provoke Russia with aggressive rhetoric and should stop to protect security
Ret. Col. Macgregor says Russian hybrid attacks are invented and partly Ukrainian false flags, that Europeans are provoking Russia into attacking, and that the US should not risk nuclear war over Lithuania.
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“Let's assume that the Europeans succeed in provoking the Russians into attacking.”
Let's assume that the Europeans succeed in provoking the Russians into attacking.
The video denies documented Russian hybrid attacks ('The Russians are not doing the things they're being accused of', false flags from Ukraine) and casts Europe as the provoker, which matches the 'stop provoking Russia' slant; the host does not challenge any of it. It also dismisses extended deterrence as an 'illusion' for Lithuania, which touches agenda 2.
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0:00 the bases that you mentioned in Jordan,
0:01 if we think we can protect them,
0:03 they'll come from the sea.
0:06 Some will come from further further
0:08 posts that we'll be able to use,
0:10 provided we have sufficient numbers of
0:12 air refuelers.
0:14 But I think that's what you're going to
0:15 see. It's going to be a very serious
0:17 assault, very very powerful.
0:21 And uh I don't think it's going to
0:22 produce the outcome we want by any
0:24 means.
0:26 And I think that was made clear by the
0:28 Iranian president when he said we will
0:30 not give up.
0:32 I don't know if you saw what the markets
0:33 did after he made that statement, but
0:35 they plunged.
0:36 >> Yeah.
0:37 >> And I think
0:37 >> as well.
0:39 >> Yeah, but what I think you're seeing
0:41 very very [clears throat] powerful the
0:43 markets and uh I don't think it's going
0:45 to produce the outcome we want
0:47 by any means.
0:49 Telling people well actually we're we're
0:51 talking
0:52 we could have a
0:53 we made progress. I don't know if you
0:55 saw what the markets did after he made
0:57 that statement, but they plunged.
1:00 You turn on the TV shows
1:02 [clears throat]
1:03 how readily a very very comes out of
1:06 Washington, what comes out of the White
1:07 House.
1:08 But then you have to look at who
1:09 controls the financial markets and they
1:12 want this war to be successful.
1:14 You cannot be successful if people think
1:17 this war is not going to be a success or
1:19 if they think this war is permanent,
1:21 perpetual, ongoing, unending.
1:24 So you've got different different
1:26 messages coming at different points in
1:28 time. My my point to you is
1:30 I don't see how we avoid another
1:32 collision with Iran.
1:34 I just don't know what that will do to
1:36 us.
1:38 And I don't know what it'll do to us
1:39 financially. I don't know what it'll do
1:41 to the global energy structure, but I
1:43 certainly can't imagine it being
1:44 anything good.
1:46 >> Mhm.
1:48 And you're not
1:50 Well, I'm assuming here are you worried
1:52 [clears throat] about the
1:53 all the warnings from European countries
1:55 and the US about [clears throat]
1:57 Russian attacks a hybrid attacks against
2:01 >> Well, first of all, most of this
2:02 business, in fact, all of this business
2:04 about hybrid attacks is
2:06 BS.
2:07 The Russians are not doing the things
2:09 they're being accused of. You've had all
2:10 sorts of false flags coming out of
2:12 Ukraine
2:13 trying to masquerade as Russian threats
2:15 and so forth. It's nonsense.
2:18 [clears throat] Back in 1998 99 when the
2:20 Poles
2:22 were candidates for membership in NATO,
2:25 everybody was very happy. The Germans
2:26 worked very hard to help the Poles get
2:28 into NATO,
2:29 but behind closed doors, people all said
2:31 the same thing. Does this make a lot of
2:33 sense?
2:34 These people are incurably anti-Russian.
2:37 Do we really want to drag a nation state
2:41 into the alliance that has a long
2:42 history, hundreds of years of history
2:45 of hatred and violence and hostility to
2:47 Russia?
2:49 Everybody sort of said, well, there's
2:50 nothing we can do. And there was nothing
2:52 we could do. Well,
2:54 the Poles are now trying to repeat their
2:56 performance of 1939.
2:59 We you'll recall that
3:01 [clears throat] they were caught between
3:02 the Soviets in the East and the Germans
3:04 in the West,
3:06 and they had the bright idea of flying
3:08 to London.
3:09 And in London, the British government,
3:12 which should never have done this, said,
3:14 we'll support you.
3:16 If they attack, we'll support you. We'll
3:18 come to your aid.
3:20 There was no way that the British could
3:22 have aided the Poles in a war with the
3:23 Germans or the Soviets or both as it
3:25 turned out. Impossible.
3:28 But that's what got Britain into the
3:29 war.
3:30 Britain [clears throat] Britain paid a
3:32 terrible price came out of the war a
3:34 third-rate power.
3:36 Now,
3:37 we have [clears throat] to look at
3:38 what's happening right now and we have
3:40 to judge the situation in a way that the
3:43 British did
3:44 back in 1939. Do we want to sacrifice
3:48 everything
3:50 in order to ensure that Israel enjoys
3:52 its hegemony across the region?
3:55 Do we want to potentially be dragged
3:56 into war with everybody there?
3:59 Now, let's move to Europe.
4:01 Let's assume that the Europeans succeed
4:04 in provoking the Russians into
4:06 attacking.
4:07 Do we want to put all of our cities and
4:10 our country at risk
4:12 in a nuclear exchange with Russia
4:14 over Lithuania?
4:18 I don't think so.
4:20 I don't see any any interest in that at
4:23 all.
4:24 This whole thing of extended deterrence
4:26 is an illusion.
4:28 It's been an illusion for years. It was
4:29 an illusion when I was a young officer
4:32 serving in Germany.
4:33 [clears throat] Everybody knew if we
4:35 fight, it'll be conventional. There's
4:36 not going to be a nuclear exchange here
4:39 because we're not going to risk the
4:40 annihilation of our own country
4:42 you know, to protect these places.
4:44 Now, fortunately, cooler heads
4:46 prevailed.
4:48 Moscow withdrew. We had a chance at that
4:50 point to build a new and better world.
4:52 We threw it away.
4:54 Now we're paying a price for it.
4:56 But I think the globalists that are in
4:58 charge in Europe today are going to be
5:00 swept out.
5:02 And you are going to get new governments
5:04 and they are going to be different from
5:06 the globalists who are there now.
5:09 And they will not go to war with Russia.
5:12 Well, the answer to your first question
5:14 is
5:15 are you correct in your interpretation?
5:17 Yes, you are.
5:19 Iran is in a war for its very survival
5:21 and existence.
5:23 We are not.
5:24 This is a war of choice.
5:26 We've done this for reasons had to
5:28 everything to do with Israel and its
5:30 representation, power, influence here
5:33 inside the United States.
5:35 So
5:36 we have this thing called an
5:39 a blockade. I'm not sure it really
5:40 qualifies strictly speaking as a
5:42 blockade, but nonetheless, we call it
5:44 that.
5:45 And Iran sees the blockade as
5:47 representing a serious threat to itself,
5:49 its economy, its relations with others.
5:51 So Iran has to break the blockade.
5:54 Now, how are they going to break the
5:55 blockade?
5:57 They're going to break it by driving us
5:58 further and further and further away
6:00 from their coastlines.
6:02 Now this is something else that was
6:04 always
6:05 I I don't want to say obvious, but very
6:08 probable.
6:09 I published a book in 1997
6:12 and the book was about a future war with
6:14 Iraq
6:16 followed by Iran, but first
6:17 [clears throat] and foremost with Iraq.
6:20 And I showed numbers of shore-based
6:24 cruise and ballistic missiles that would
6:26 be terminally guided in some cases. In
6:28 some cases they would be
6:30 directed if not by satellites and
6:32 aerostats. In other words, to reach out
6:35 a thousand miles and attack targets. And
6:38 at the time in the scenario that I
6:40 depicted in 1997 in the book Breaking
6:43 the Phalanx,
6:45 the the Iranians and the Iraqis were
6:47 interested in sinking a carrier.
6:49 But they mistook on their
6:52 you know, whatever their ISR was, a
6:54 marine amphibious ship for a carrier and
6:56 they sank the marine amphibious ship.
6:58 Well, you can imagine overnight I became
7:00 public enemy number one inside of
7:02 Washington
7:03 because I was saying that the the Navy's
7:05 carrier force and the Marine Corps'
7:07 amphibious force were both very much in
7:10 danger of becoming an anachronistic and
7:12 effectively in a
7:14 incapable of influencing anything
7:16 ashore.
7:17 That's
7:19 that book came out in what, March of
7:20 1997. This is now 2026.
7:25 Good lord. You mean this is this is
7:27 inevitable stuff.
7:29 You know, all of the instrumentalities
7:31 that were developed for the use of the
7:33 US armed forces against its opponents in
7:35 World War II
7:37 have reached their termination date,
7:40 their sell-by dates.
7:42 In other words, the old
7:43 instrumentalities are going to vanish
7:45 now and new instrumentalities are going
7:47 to come into existence.
7:49 But our instrumentalities are different
7:51 from say the Russians or the Germans or
7:53 the Chinese or the Iranians because we
7:56 are primarily a maritime aerospace
7:59 power.
8:01 Everything we have is designed to reach
8:03 out and project
8:05 thousands of miles somewhere else.
8:08 This is a result of the fact that we're
8:09 a very large island with no serious
8:12 opponent ashore. In other words, we're
8:14 not expecting any armies to come down
8:16 out of Canada or armies to come up from
8:19 Latin America. So what do we do? We
8:21 focus on the things that we can do
8:22 beyond the Western Hemisphere. And
8:25 that's what we've been doing.
8:26 Those days are coming to an end.
8:29 And that's why the future for the United
8:31 States is not interference in other
8:33 people's affairs, meddling inside other
8:35 people's societies, attacking people
8:38 who've never attacked us. You know, I I
8:40 know everybody says, oh well, the evil
8:42 Iranians have been at war with us for 47
8:44 years. It's all nonsense. Okay, that's
8:47 just crap.
8:48 No one bothers to point out the
8:49 Iran-Iraq War,
8:51 which cost the Iranians anywhere from
8:53 500 to 750,000 casualties, maybe more.
8:56 We just don't know. And all of the
8:59 supplies and all of the equipment and
9:00 all of the intelligence and all of the
9:02 advice that was supplied to the scenario
9:04 that I depicted in 1997 came from,
9:09 The the Iranians and the Iraqis
9:11 registered in sinking a tanker.
9:14 But they mistook
9:16 You know, whatever their
9:19 So all we're doing right now
9:22 is that we're prolonging the
9:27 And I think we're doing enormous damage
9:29 to our
9:31 But there's
9:33 wait a minute.
9:42 And I guess Secretary Haig said
9:48 But the point is what are they telling
9:50 us? They're not telling us anything that
9:51 you and I and others that you've talked
9:53 to like Larry Johnson or any number of
9:55 people have said repeatedly, we don't
9:58 have the munitions.
10:00 We we don't have the production base to
10:02 rapidly replace all these interceptors,
10:05 all these anti-missile missiles, let
10:07 alone the strike weapons.
10:08 So we're really pushing up against an
10:11 enormous logistical barrier that we
10:14 cannot easily overcome. And people are
10:16 saying, you know, we really need to get
10:18 out.
10:19 But nobody wants to admit what I just
10:21 explained to you, that our ability to
10:22 maintain these bases on the Eurasian
10:25 periphery, because look where our bases
10:27 are located.
10:28 Start all the way up at northern Japan,
10:30 work your way all the way around China,
10:33 down into the Philippines, through
10:35 Southeast Asia, jump over the Indian
10:37 Ocean.
10:38 Fortunately, the Indians don't have to
10:40 put up with this. And then you go over
10:42 to the Persian Gulf and all the way up
10:45 to the Middle East and up to Europe all
10:46 the way to the top of Norway.
10:49 Okay, that that's the Eurasian
10:50 periphery.
10:52 And our strategy has always been, we
10:54 need to cling to this, hold on to this,
10:57 in case we have to come back and refight
10:59 World War II.
11:02 Well, we're not going to refight World
11:03 War II. That's already been
11:04 demonstrated.
11:06 We're in a new era now, new kinds of
11:07 warfare, new kinds of technologies. We
11:10 need a new strategy, and that strategy
11:12 is staring us in the face, and that's
11:14 called hemispheric defense.
11:17 >> Hm.
11:17 >> In other words, defend ourselves.
11:19 And unless somebody attacks us directly,
11:22 we don't attack them.
11:25 But that's something that Washington
11:27 doesn't like.
11:29 They don't want to give it up.
11:30 >> also lead But doesn't that also lead to
11:32 the end of the petrodollar that led to
11:33 the the quality of life that the
11:36 Americans enjoyed for so many decades?
11:38 >> Absolutely. The petro the petrodollar is
11:41 on the skids. I don't think there's any
11:42 question about that.
11:44 And we're going to have to change our
11:46 economy. We're going to change the way
11:47 we think about economic development.
11:49 I mean, when Donald Trump came to power
11:51 to begin with, he started talking about
11:53 repatriating industry.
11:55 Well, some of that has to happen, but we
11:58 need new industries. In other words,
12:01 if you look at what do we do best? What
12:02 do Americans do best?
12:05 Agriculture. We've ignored agriculture.
12:07 In fact, we're punishing our own
12:09 agrarian sector right now.
12:11 Our farmers are suffering suffering
12:13 terribly.
12:14 It's ridiculous.
12:16 Our agricultural sector should lead the
12:18 world. The Midwest is a breadbasket on
12:21 the scale of Ukraine, okay? So that's
12:23 number one. Number two, energy.
12:26 [snorts] We have enormous energy
12:28 reserves. We should be developing them
12:30 in an intelligent fashion. How many new
12:32 refineries have we built within the last
12:34 25 30 years?
12:37 Excuse me.
12:38 >> Bless you.
12:39 >> Zero.
12:40 Okay? No new refineries. What's
12:42 happening to our strategic petroleum
12:44 reserve?
12:45 People are reporting that it's it's it's
12:47 drying up.
12:49 President Trump would like to extricate
12:51 himself from this no winning situation.
12:54 He's lost the military conflict.
12:57 There is no way out of this, easy way
13:00 out for him.
13:01 He's opened his big mouth and made a lot
13:03 of stupid statements, statements that
13:06 put him in a bad position,
13:08 but their positions from which he cannot
13:10 easily retreat.
13:12 The Iranians have no reason to trust us.
13:15 None.
13:16 I mean, let let's be frank.
13:18 We tried to kill their delegation. The
13:20 Israelis have done this. We've done
13:22 this.
13:23 Why would they trust anything we say or
13:25 do?
13:27 I I'm just I just find it hard to
13:29 believe that the Iranians would do
13:31 anything
13:32 unless we demonstrated conclusively that
13:35 we were serious. The only way to do that
13:37 is for us to lift the blockade
13:38 immediately,
13:40 release all those funds, and withdraw
13:42 the naval forces, not just lift the
13:44 blockade and sail 100 miles away. Get
13:49 That's tough for President Trump to do
13:50 without admitting defeat.
13:53 It's also something that I don't think
13:55 is the Israeli lobby and its agents in
13:58 Washington will accept.
14:00 The Israelis do not under any
14:02 circumstances want an end to this war
14:04 unless it ends in the destruction of
14:06 Iran.
14:08 So I guess the bottom line is that I
14:11 would be very hopeful,
14:13 but not very optimistic. So I don't
14:15 think much will come of this and I think
14:17 we will resume fighting.
14:21 >> What do you make of what we're seeing in
14:22 Saudi as well? The imminent strikes that
14:25 seemed to seem to be imminent over the
14:28 weekend. I think the bombs were being
14:30 loaded on the planes and then they were
14:31 canceled by Trump as American planes.
14:33 The Lancer took off
14:35 to strike the Houthis.
14:38 The Iranians were on high alert. Um
14:41 is the US abandoning Saudi? Are they
14:43 delaying it after the midterms? Would
14:45 that really make a difference cuz the
14:46 Houthis are still bombing Saudis and the
14:48 Saudis are bombing the Houthis. But
14:50 today
14:51 the Houthis went as deep as um
14:54 Tabuk, which is up near Jordan, 2,000 km
14:56 in
14:57 and there was an important air base
14:58 there. So the Houthi struck the Tabuk
15:01 for the first time ever or for the first
15:03 time in this war.
15:05 So I would love to get your thoughts on
15:06 the Houthi Saudi war.
15:09 >> Al Ansar made an agreement with us.
15:12 I don't know the contents of the
15:14 agreement, but there is an agreement in
15:15 place
15:16 and we halted operations against them.
15:19 As far as I can tell, they've held to
15:21 their end of the bargain.
15:24 If we attack them now, that means that
15:26 once again we've demonstrated we can't
15:28 be trusted and no bargain that you make
15:30 with the United States will be honored.
15:33 So I'm sure that's on on President
15:34 Trump's mind. Secondly, I don't know
15:37 what kind of munitions they'll use, what
15:39 kind of PGMs, precision guided
15:41 munitions.
15:42 I have no idea where we stand on that.
15:45 My assumption is
15:47 there's resistance in inside the senior
15:50 military leadership, probably in the
15:52 Pentagon, to doing this.
15:54 I think their argument will be we have
15:56 to keep our eyes on the trained on the
15:58 real goal in this war. We don't want to
16:01 be diverted into a fight with Al Ansar.
16:04 We want to stay focused on the fight
16:06 with Iran.
16:08 Remember that Al Ansar, if they
16:10 fundamentally block off
16:12 the Red Sea and they block off the with
16:15 the Persian Gulf and the current
16:17 condition it's in and it's it's
16:18 effectively closed, contrary to what
16:21 CENTCOM says.
16:22 You're looking at 35% of the global oil
16:27 reserve is is out of out of action. It's
16:30 out of out of reach.
16:32 So under those circumstances
16:35 I think President Trump and his advisor
16:37 are probably seriously considering what
16:39 to do and they may decide not to do
16:41 anything right now. They may be looking
16:42 for others
16:44 to help Saudi Arabia. And there's
16:46 another problem with the Saudis have it.
16:47 I'm sure you're aware of this.
16:50 Prince Mohammed bin Salman is
16:52 trying to arrange for loans to the
16:55 Saudis
16:56 to bridge their situation financially
16:59 right now into the future.
17:02 This is not a good sign for Saudi Arabia
17:04 which
17:05 one would think is one of the richest
17:06 countries in the world.
17:08 But they've squandered an awful lot of
17:10 money and resources on big projects,
17:13 some of which have worked, many of which
17:15 have not.
17:16 And they're not prepared for a long war
17:18 of any kind.
17:20 And they certainly don't have the
17:21 military power. I mean they may on
17:23 paper, but in in real terms there's not
17:26 much there.
17:27 So I I wonder if Saudi Arabia is going
17:29 to survive at all. Remember I've said
17:31 from the beginning that I thought all of
17:33 these statelets on the Arabian Peninsula
17:35 would all be ultimately swept away in
17:39 the tide of time as a result of this
17:40 war. I include that and Jordan in that.
17:44 And I as I've said before, I don't see
17:46 that
17:46 there's an absolute guarantee that
17:48 Israel will survive this either for it's
17:50 got serious problems.
17:52 The whole the whole status quo in the
17:54 region
17:55 right now is crumbling.
17:57 What's going to take its place is
17:59 anybody's guess.
18:00 But that's where that brings me back to
18:02 your earlier comment about the Turks.
18:05 You know I people say, well you know the
18:07 Turkish economy is very fragile. The
18:09 Turkish interest rates are too high.
18:11 Turkish inflation, Turkish this, Turkish
18:13 that. But at the end of the day
18:16 the Turks can fight and they have a very
18:17 large military and that nation can be
18:19 mobilized and hurled into action. I
18:22 think the Israelis know that.
18:25 I don't know what's going to happen
18:27 next, but I don' think you're going to
18:28 get an agreement based on
18:31 meetings on the sidelines with Kushner
18:34 or anybody else from the US government
18:36 right now with Iran. I just don't.
18:39 >> When you talk about the Gulf and Jordan
18:41 being swept away,
18:44 how would that look? And you you
18:46 mentioned Israel as well, but how would
18:47 that look like for the Gulf?
18:50 >> I don't know. I think that to some
18:52 extent you're going to have the Iranians
18:54 involved in dictating or shaping the
18:57 outcome.
18:59 Uh I'm sure that some and Cutter is is
19:01 probably one of them will turn to their
19:03 Turkish friends.
19:04 It may be that that is also the case
19:07 with some of the Sunni Arab leaders
19:08 there. They will turn to the Turks.
19:10 Uh they're obviously all interested in
19:13 the Chinese support because the Chinese
19:15 are the ones with the capital to come
19:17 back in and rebuild things.
19:19 So it depends on a number of different
19:21 dynamics. If you're an Iranian and you
19:23 look across the Gulf, what do you want
19:25 from them? Well, you remember exactly
19:26 what I just described.
19:28 These Gulf statelets were very much in
19:30 bed with Saudi Arabia and the United
19:31 States in its war against Iran.
19:34 They have also cooperated and conspired
19:36 with Israel against Iran. So what do
19:39 they want? Well, they don't want anybody
19:41 on the other side of the Gulf conspiring
19:43 with an enemy.
19:44 They don't want any foreign bases there.
19:48 think about it. What does it mean? It
19:50 means they're going to have a big say in
19:52 who ultimately governs over there. And
19:54 again, if they turn to the Turks as the
19:56 case is with Cutter and others,
19:59 uh
19:59 the Turks will have to decide what they
20:01 do or do not do. The Turks are already
20:03 very concerned about what's happening in
20:05 Syria, as you know.
20:06 The situation there is extremely tense.
20:09 The Israelis have brought brought that
20:10 on themselves.
20:14 If I lived in the middle of the Middle
20:15 East right now, I'd move.
20:19 Find a new place.
20:20 >> who that's for. I wonder who that's for.
20:23 We saw the munitions depot in Syria
20:25 blowing up again two, three days ago.
20:27 You saw that one?
20:30 Come on.
20:31 >> what I'm saying. This thing is
20:32 it's just it's just getting started.
20:34 This is not over.
20:36 >> I want to start right there with Donald
20:38 Trump's recent address to the United
20:39 Nations. You know, he stood in New York
20:41 City and said that he has a very
20:43 difficult decision to make. Does he make
20:45 a deal with Iran that turns them into
20:47 one of the most basically his message to
20:49 the world there? I'd like to get your
20:50 initial thoughts to that and you know,
20:52 what you think of this decision that
20:54 Donald Trump says he has to make.
20:57 >> Well,
20:59 listening to him was entertaining to say
21:01 the least.
21:03 I I think he's developed something of a
21:05 god complex. He seems to have determined
21:08 that he's going to single-handedly
21:11 return the United States to 1991 in the
21:14 unipolar moment.
21:16 Effectively, he's set himself up as a
21:19 judge and jury of the world.
21:22 And Iran is for reasons of connectivity
21:25 to Israel turned out to be public enemy
21:28 number one as far as he's concerned and
21:30 seems willing to do anything to destroy
21:32 it.
21:33 But he's also allowing them to
21:35 capitulate
21:36 and publicly humiliate themselves by
21:40 agreeing to do whatever it is that
21:42 Israel wants. I mean, that's literally
21:44 what it comes down to.
21:45 >> Right.
21:46 >> It's psychotic.
21:48 It makes no sense.
21:51 Um let's talk about it from a military
21:53 perspective, you know, Colonel. Is this
21:54 even possible? I mean, we we just heard
21:56 Donald Trump say that he's going to
21:57 annihilate Iran. He's going to send in
21:59 this. I mean, I I would carry out a very
22:02 large you know, movement here. I mean,
22:04 is is there still a potential of a
22:05 ground invasion? I mean, what is the
22:06 United States military really looking at
22:09 from Iran right now?
22:11 >> Well, to annihilate Iran would require
22:15 the use of nuclear weapons. Let's be
22:17 frank.
22:18 Annihilation, look it up. It means total
22:21 destruction, nothing left.
22:23 It's the last word I would utilize. It's
22:25 a kind of
22:27 thinking that was familiar to Stalin or
22:29 Hitler.
22:30 Is it certainly not the thinking that
22:33 one would associate with the president
22:34 of the United States.
22:37 We should be interested obviously in
22:38 avoiding war whenever possible, and if
22:40 there is a conflict, finding a way to
22:42 settle it on the best possible terms
22:44 that we can get.
22:45 But those terms always have to take into
22:48 consideration the opponent and his
22:50 thinks thinking and his interests.
22:53 He's essentially excluded those from the
22:55 discussion. [clears throat]
22:56 Now, militarily, what can we do? Can we
22:58 destroy fundamentally annihilate Iran
23:01 with purely conventional military power?
23:04 Annihilate, no. Significantly destroy,
23:07 yes.
23:08 So that brings me back to nuclear
23:10 weapons, and that's the problem.
23:13 I'm someone that thinks that a nuclear
23:14 weapon should be employed only in the
23:17 most desperate of circumstances after
23:20 we Americans ourselves have been
23:22 attacked
23:23 by someone else who has nuclear weapons.
23:25 Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, a
23:27 nuclear weapon is off the table.
23:30 He apparently is thinking in those
23:32 terms, I'm told, because there are
23:33 people in the Department of Defense
23:35 Excuse me, Department of
23:36 >> The bombers?
23:39 >> Yes.
23:40 And you're talking about enormous
23:42 numbers of them, and you're talking
23:43 about
23:45 almost nonstop bombing over a period of
23:47 time, some period, whatever period that
23:49 turns out to be. In other words, a very
23:52 intense period at the outset of any
23:53 campaign.
23:55 Now, those are going to be supplemented
23:57 by strikes from fighters and other
23:59 areas.
24:00 Sometimes they'll come from the the
24:02 bases that you mentioned in Jordan if we
24:04 think we can protect them.
24:06 They'll come from the sea.
24:39 >> And I think what you're
24:44 [clears throat] in the markets is a sort
24:47 of constant manipulation that goes on
24:49 from the White House
24:51 telling people, well, actually we're
24:53 we're talking. We could have a deal. We
24:56 made progress. You know, he want wants
24:58 to keep the fires burning, keep
25:00 everybody satisfied.
25:02 You turn on the business shows.
25:04 It's [clears throat] astonishing to me
25:06 how readily everybody believes what
25:08 comes out of Washington, what comes out
25:09 of the White House.
25:14 want this war to be successful. You
25:17 cannot be successful if people think
25:28 messages coming at a different points in
25:50 >> And you're not
25:52 Well, I'm assuming here. Are you worried
25:59 Russian attacks,
26:01 hybrid attacks against NATO?
26:04 business, in fact all this business
26:20 Back in [clears throat] 1998-99
26:22 when the Poles
26:30 into NATO. But behind closed doors,
26:32 people also said the same thing. Does
26:34 this make a lot of sense?
27:01 We all recall that [clears throat] they
27:03 were caught between the Soviets in the
27:05 East and the Germans in the West.
27:08 And they had the bright idea of flying
27:32 [clears throat] Britain Britain paid a
27:34 terrible price and came out of the war a
27:39 we [clears throat] have to look at
27:45 British did back in 1939. Do we want to
27:49 sacrifice everything
28:12 our country at risk in a nuclear
28:14 exchange with Russia
28:31 an illusion when I was young officer
28:36 Everybody [clears throat] knew we're if
28:37 we fight, it will be conventional.
28:38 There's not going to be a nuclear
28:39 exchange here because we're not going to
28:41 risk the annihilation of our own
28:43 country,
29:04 And you are going to get new
29:05 governments, and they are going to be
29:07 different from the globalists who are
29:08 there now.
29:13 [snorts]
29:16 is uh
29:23 and existence. We are not. This is a war
29:27 of choice.
29:28 We've done this for reasons had
29:42 qualifies, strictly speaking, as a
29:44 blockade, but nevertheless, we call it
30:02 from their coastlines. Now, this is
30:04 something else that was always
30:11 I published a book in 1997.
30:14 And the book was about a future war with
30:16 Iraq,
30:18 followed by Iran, but first and foremost
30:20 with Iraq.
30:30 some cases, they would be
30:32 directed, if not by satellites and
30:34 aerostats. In other words,
30:36 to reach out a thousand miles and attack
30:39 targets. And
31:26 Good Lord. I mean, this is this is
31:52 from say the Russians or the Germans
31:55 or the Chinese or the Iranians because
31:58 we are primarily a maritime aerospace
32:11 a very large island
32:13 with no serious opponent ashore. In
32:16 other words, we're not expecting any
32:17 armies to come down out of Canada
32:20 or armies to come up from Latin America.
32:21 So what do we do? We We focus on the
32:23 things that we can do beyond the Western
32:26 Hemisphere. And that's what we've been
32:27 doing.
32:40 who've never attacked us.
32:42 You know, I I know everybody says, oh,
32:43 well, the evil Iranians have been at war
32:45 with us for 70 years. It's all nonsense.
32:48 Okay, that's just crap.
32:51 Iran-Iraq war,
32:58 We just don't know.
33:00 And all of the supplies and all of the
33:01 equipment and all of the intelligence
33:04 and all of the advice that was supplied
33:05 to Saddam Hussein to make that war
33:08 happen came from us.
33:12 It's over. This this this is a chapter
33:15 in humanity and human history that is
33:17 ending.
33:18 We can't do this anymore.
33:21 So all we're doing right now with this
33:22 blockade is we're prolonging the agony.
33:25 We're bleeding cash. It's costing us a
33:28 lot of money.
33:31 to our armed forces.
33:33 But there's no willingness to say, wait
33:34 a minute, this has gone as far as it can
33:37 go.
33:38 You know, we just had these reports
33:39 leaked from the Department of Defense,
33:41 or they call it the Department of War
33:42 again.
33:43 And I guess Secretary Hagel Seth is now
33:46 running witch hunts to find out who
33:48 leaked what.
33:55 to, like Larry Johnson or any number of
33:57 people, have said repeatedly, we don't
34:08 alone the strike weapons. So we're
34:11 really pushing up against an enormous
34:14 logistical barrier that we cannot easily
34:17 overcome. And people are saying, you
34:18 know, we really need to get out.
34:27 periphery because look where our bases
34:42 up with us. And then you go over to uh
34:45 the Persian Gulf and all the way up to
34:47 the Middle East and up to Europe all the
34:48 way to the top of Norway.
34:54 And our strategy has always been we need
34:56 to cling to this, to hold on to this in
34:59 case we have to come back and refight
35:13 need a new strategy and that strategy is
35:14 staring us in the face and that's called
35:17 hemispheric defense.
35:19 In other words, defend ourselves.
35:32 >> that also lead Doesn't that also lead to
35:35 the
35:36 the quality of life that the Americans
35:39 enjoyed for so many decades?
35:40 >> Absolutely. The petrol The petrol dollar
35:43 is on the skids. I don't think there's
35:44 any question about that.
36:09 In fact, we're punishing our
36:11 agricultural sector.
36:13 Our farmers are suffering. Suffering
36:18 Our agricultural sector should be the
36:20 breadbasket of the world. The Midwest
36:22 is a breadbasket of the United States.
36:24 >> I think for those of us who have worked
36:25 hard on that alliance, we understand the
36:28 degree to which it contributes to the
36:29 safety of the American people. The
36:31 Heritage Foundation, we support phasing
36:34 out the security assistance to Israel,
36:36 making that more joint investment in our
36:38 mutual security.
36:40 >> Yesterday, President Trump again went
36:41 out and and yeah, hey, we're going to
36:43 stop this money to Israel. We're going
36:44 to stop this three, four billion dollars
36:46 we've been giving them every year
36:47 because we're a more mature
36:49 relationship. Now what she was referring
36:51 to there was this section 19 and the
36:54 house meshing of the militaries. Is that
36:56 better or worse for the American people
36:58 than the three to four billion that we
37:00 have been
37:00 >> out of this.
37:02 Don't think we've seen the end of the
37:04 billions of dollars that are
37:06 stupidly transferred by the United
37:07 States that have put him in a bad
37:09 position. You know, that's but their
37:10 position of evidence that that's going
37:12 to happen. This is something else. Trump
37:13 could say whatever he wants.
37:15 He has no control over the CIA. We have
37:18 demonstrated that pretty conclusively,
37:19 Frank. If he thinks he's just going to
37:21 defund Israel, he's got it right down as
37:24 we've done advantageous for him to
37:25 distance himself publicly
37:28 from the Israeli problem.
37:30 That's fine. It just means that the
37:32 Iranians
37:33 do anything
37:34 that's just empty rhetoric complicated
37:37 I think what she said the only way to do
37:39 that is for us to lift the blockade and
37:41 to understand the Heritage Foundation
37:42 and people who are
37:43 why they take the positions they do.
37:45 Look at who contributes money to the
37:47 Heritage Foundation.
37:49 The people that contribute money are the
37:51 ones shaping policy.
37:54 There's an old expression, he who has
37:56 the gold rules the world.
37:58 That's some people say, well, that's the
37:59 reciprocation. Not really. There's a lot
38:02 more truth to that than people realize.
38:05 And if you've got enough money and you
38:06 pour enough of it in, then you dictate
38:08 who ultimately is employed at your
38:10 respective foundation.
38:20 So I guess the you're going to take
38:22 these positions.
38:24 Why are we taking these positions? Well,
38:26 look at the donors.
38:27 So that's the first thing. It's very
38:29 dishonest for all these people to
38:30 pretend as though there's some sort of
38:32 objective
38:35 us American planes the last Trump
38:37 to
38:40 the Iranians were on high alert. It's
38:41 just depressing, but that's the way it
38:43 is. Secondly, is the US abandoning Saudi
38:45 after the midterms,
38:47 would that really make a difference
38:48 because the Saudis are still bombing
38:50 Saudis? And the Saudis are bombing Yemen
38:52 today.
38:52 >> pretty quickly inside the defense of the
38:54 streets were large numbers of people,
38:56 particularly
38:57 in the area of missile technology, who
38:59 were very unhappy with the
39:01 that they were compelled to turn over to
39:03 the Israelis.
39:04 And they would complain bitterly how the
39:06 Israelis took that idea and modified it
39:08 and yes, under the table sold it to the
39:11 Chinese or the Russians or somebody else
39:13 given enough money.
39:15 There's a lot of bad blood there.
39:17 There's a lot of bitterness inside the
39:18 US armed forces. Obviously, anybody that
39:21 reaches a certain level is going to be a
39:24 permanent unquestioning friend of
39:26 Israel.
39:27 But once you go down the path of
39:31 dealing with the people on the ground
39:32 and have to interact with the United
39:33 States will be honored. It's not a
39:34 pleasant
39:35 they don't like it and they don't like
39:37 what she discussed at all. I don't know
39:39 what kind of that provision in the
39:40 legislation is tantamount to treason.
39:43 We have no obligation I have no idea
39:45 where we stand on anything of any
39:47 importance and any significant over to
39:49 anybody that has any military potential.
39:51 The senior military leadership now we
39:53 have been very careful in the past
39:56 [clears throat] I mean hell during World
39:57 War II we were very careful with the
39:59 British unfortunately FDR was less so
40:03 We don't want to the war we cleaned that
40:05 mess up.
40:06 Truman changed things, Eisenhower
40:08 changed things, Kennedy kept it going.
40:10 Remember that
40:12 we were very well aware of what the
40:13 Israelis wanted to do. They always
40:15 wanted
40:17 with the Kennedy obstructed it,
40:19 Eisenhower was polled by the idea.
40:22 Unfortunately LBJ let it happen. You're
40:25 looking at 35% of the global
40:29 The reason for Israel that got everyone
40:32 on board just like me
40:34 is very [clears throat] simple.
40:35 One of the reasons for the Holocaust was
40:38 that the Jews in Europe did not have
40:40 their own country.
40:42 And I believe that a lot of people
40:44 believe maybe that's not the only reason
40:46 for the Holocaust but Saudi Arabia.
40:47 That's a critical point.
40:49 >> So I'm sure you're aware.
40:51 >> like me and I suspect like you and their
40:53 support is trying to reason.
40:56 >> Arrange for loans
40:57 >> But what we're dealing with now is not
41:00 a friendly previous position to Israel
41:02 not a willingness to
41:04 >> This is not a good sign for Saudi
41:05 Arabia.
41:07 >> One would think that one of the richest
41:09 countries in the world
41:10 but they responsible for the greater
41:12 state of Israel.
41:13 And that's essentially what Donald Trump
41:15 has turned this into.
41:17 Our armed forces are just
41:18 instrumentalities and disposable
41:20 in a long war of any kind.
41:23 military power. I mean they may on paper
41:26 but in terms of
41:27 it's not much there.
41:29 So I wonder if Saudi Arabia is going to
41:31 survive in Washington to what said from
41:33 the beginning that I thought all of
41:35 these states in Saudi Arabia
41:37 would all be
41:39 ultimately swept away
41:41 in the tide of time as a result of
41:42 >> at least it first we'll have to see.
41:45 I want to shift over here just a second
41:47 to some stuff happening there the Russia
41:49 Ukraine war and interview on that. But
41:50 before we do I want one last topic here.
41:53 Nothing really startling here but I
41:55 don't know maybe it will be surprising
41:57 by some because this is
41:59 the Israeli UN ambassador Danny Danon
42:03 making this very interesting claim here
42:05 that it turns out that I guess what
42:07 we've heard all along that Benjamin
42:08 Netanyahu drug President Trump into the
42:11 war that they're using us as an
42:12 extension of the IDF. Apparently none of
42:15 that is true according to Danny Danon.
42:16 As a matter of fact we're the ones that
42:18 started the war.
42:20 >> I think it's unfortunate and it's not
42:21 coming from different direction that
42:23 they made the linkage between the the
42:26 rising prices mainly the oil prices and
42:28 the situation
42:29 here in Israel. So I think it's
42:31 unfortunate we know that the decision to
42:33 attack Iran was the decision of the
42:34 United States. It wasn't our decision.
42:36 We supported the effort of the US. We
42:38 think it was the right decision and I
42:39 think we should heal the the
42:42 what they're saying about the United
42:43 States. So it's very easy always to
42:45 blame Israel for everything but that's
42:47 not the case.
42:50 No one listened. Marco Rubio is the one
42:52 that said it was actually Israel who was
42:54 attacking. We just had to get dragged
42:56 along into it. What do you say?
42:58 >> or shaping the outcome.
43:00 >> Well, years ago Leon Trotsky
43:03 someone that was feared in the sections
43:05 of the Jewish communities in New York
43:07 City and this was also the case with
43:09 some of the Saudi Arabian leaders there.
43:10 They will turn to the Turks. One of the
43:12 mass murderers in fact so
43:15 was approached by subordinates in the
43:17 Chinese government in 1921 22
43:21 and the subordinate came up to us and
43:22 said Congress if
43:24 you're an Iranian what we're saying in
43:26 this in this leaflet it's not true.
43:29 He said we're not telling the truth.
43:31 And Trotsky is
44:56 >> And in the speech, he says, you know, we
44:58 don't have to put up with these people
45:00 that disagree with us.
45:02 We don't have to listen to them.
45:03 We have enough money. We can throw
45:05 enough power in this country. We can
45:07 shut them down.
45:09 And anybody who speaks out against us is
45:11 nothing more than a Nazi,
45:14 fascist
45:15 trying to destroy us. We have every
45:17 right to do that. Effectively, he's
45:19 setting himself up as a judge and jury
45:23 of the world.
45:25 This is what you're dealing with. And by
45:27 the way,
45:28 LeVine was telling the truth.
45:30 They have a lot of money
45:32 and a lot of money can be used to
45:34 destroy people that don't want to
45:36 support their particular position.
45:39 Publicly humiliating someone is that
45:41 there are lots of people like me
45:44 Israel wants.
45:48 It's voice support for Israel's
45:50 security.
45:52 Not for greater Israel, not for mass
45:55 murder,
45:56 not for mass extermination of your
45:58 enemies.
46:03 Uh but that's not enough. This is a
46:05 group of people who demand unconditional
46:07 obedience.
46:09 And what will be to him who doesn't go
46:11 along with it?
46:12 And I think that's what
46:14 Donald Trump is dealing with.
46:16 >> And you know, the irony is in a good
46:18 sort of way, we may be entering into a
46:21 phase where woke into him that does do
46:23 those kinds of things because
46:25 the voting public may finally use their
46:28 power and unseat them. We hope it
46:30 continues to work on the
46:32 I want to shift gears here into Europe
46:35 because coming up next week, I believe
46:36 on the 10th, so five days from now,
46:39 there's supposed to be three-way talks
46:41 for the first time in a long time anyway
46:43 with the United States, Russia, and
46:45 Ukraine. I believe it's in Abu Dhabi is
46:47 where they're going to be meeting.
46:49 And the hope is this that this technical
46:52 and his thinks thinking and his
46:53 interests.
46:57 discussion.
47:12 weapons and that's the problem.
47:24 attacked by someone else who has nuclear
47:27 weapons.
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