0:01 Why is Arakhamia so sour?
0:04 Two points that I visually drew
0:06 attention to, I started talking about
0:09 Russians there, Russian, English, yes,
0:11 Medinsky, Umerov, then they all speak
0:15 And so it's so interesting, yes, also,
0:17 like, the outfit of those first day of
0:19 these negotiations in Abu Dhabi.
0:22 They immediately took a photo. I didn't
0:24 get it at all, to be honest. Well, no,
0:26 I've been following politics for a long
0:28 time, but now, yes, there's a moment of
0:31 some kind of truth. And they're like,
0:32 you know, those two in their home
0:34 clothes, Budanov is also in his home
0:35 clothes, he always walks like that. So
0:37 there are all these photos, sneakers
0:39 there, guys in Arafat hats behind, all
0:41 that stuff. So, we're like, arrived,
0:43 arrived. Well, arrived, arrived, fine.
0:48 I'm getting the feeling now that they—I
0:50 noticed this a long time ago, by the way
0:53 —all these daily recordings of phone
0:55 conversations, conversations with
0:56 Zelenskyy's phone, yes, when he's doing
0:58 all these, well, all these reports, like
1:01 for the country, for unity.
1:05 Well, I worked there for six months, and
1:07 then everything somehow became
1:08 irrelevant, and opinions kept changing.
1:12 It doesn't work for long. I got the
1:14 feeling back then that he was recording
1:16 reports for someone, well, for a curator
1:19 You know, there's this nasty game for
1:21 kids, like Blue Whale or something.
1:24 And it feels like someone's leading it.
1:28 Someone gives these little quests, yes,
1:30 and then it all ends badly in the end,
1:32 like stepping forward from a nine-story
1:34 building, and the parents are crying,
1:39 Well, that's a tough example, not a
1:41 funny parallel at all, but it's not
1:44 It felt like they weren't just there to
1:46 report, like, "Well, here we are, we've
1:50 And, well, they arrived all dressed up,
1:52 and then suddenly, everyone was in suits
1:56 Only Umerov, well, he probably didn't
1:58 have a suit that fit. I mean, everyone
2:00 was like bunnies. Remember the last
2:04 What was there? Someone was in military
2:06 uniform, they were like, well, military
2:08 , we're not military. No, everyone was
2:10 in suits, everything as expected. Umerov
2:12 just distinguished himself. But in the
2:14 photographs themselves, the Arakhamias
2:16 look painfully sour.
2:20 I don't think the criminal case through
2:22 the High Anti-Corruption Court upset him
2:23 that much. We all have criminal cases
2:25 here, and this criminal case has been
2:27 the talk of the town for a long time.
2:30 But he was upset with Melanie, although
2:31 it seemed like he had a good reason.
2:35 Everyone did everything right, eh, at
2:37 attention, everyone, Melanie is happy,
2:43 And Russia carried out everything there
2:45 to the letter, and Ukraine did
2:46 everything, no incidents.
2:48 It was even quiet in Odessa. They're
2:50 simply destroying Odessa there now. Ah,
2:52 but during this humanitarian mission,
2:54 everything was completely quiet. The
2:56 Odessans at least took a breather;
2:58 they're writing too.
2:59 But he was upset there, he's upset here
3:03 Listen, there's something strange going
3:07 I'm picking up on Arakhamia's mood, as
3:09 if something is going on behind the
3:12 What do you know about it?
3:14 Well, what do you think, uh, is the
3:16 reason for Arakhamia's terrible mood?
3:23 >> Sasha, well, I haven't been informed yet
3:26 , but I can assume that the situation in
3:28 Oleshky, yes, and although it was
3:30 absolutely humanitarianly justified and
3:33 necessary, it happened on the eve of the
3:35 midterm congressional elections.
3:41 That is, when, a few days before the
3:44 elections, as a rule, this is used, yes
3:46 , exclusively for some kind of PR.
3:52 And we understand that Trump promised
3:54 his voters peace, yes, not to involve
3:56 the United States in conflicts outside
3:58 of America, but nevertheless allowed it
4:01 to be drawn into the Middle East.
4:08 And, as experts believe, yes, and as the
4:10 Republicans themselves believe, this led
4:13 to them losing both the House of
4:15 Representatives and the Senate, and,
4:17 accordingly, they tried to somehow
4:19 salvage the situation on the eve of the
4:26 So, Oleshki, Melania Trump—it was a
4:29 mini-promotion—I don't want to call it a
4:31 production, but a mini-promotion on the
4:33 eve of the election—to demonstrate that
4:36 Trump did promise peace, and now the
4:38 first steps toward a peaceful resolution
4:40 are already underway.
4:45 That is, before the vote, it was
4:50 After the Republicans 'defeat, dragging
4:52 Arakhamia in, dragging two ombudsmen in
4:55 , and, yes, meeting with Melania Trump
5:02 And imagine, Arakhamia, yes, he lands,
5:04 apparently flies, flies without
5:07 supervisors, without an escort like
5:10 Yermak or Zelensky, that is, he flies
5:14 Well, he could clearly…Oh, or rather,
5:17 the ombudsman, the name slipped my mind
5:21 >> Lubinets. For him, he's clearly not an
5:23 overseer, yes, and not an authority. So
5:25 , he flies as an elder to meet with
5:28 Melania Trump, and upon landing, he
5:30 learns that it's the High
5:31 Anti-Corruption Court.
5:34 And he clearly understands, yes, that
5:36 this is a court that is oriented toward
5:38 the United States of America, primarily
5:41 , the funds of American taxpayers.
5:44 You read the interview with Ruslan
5:47 Kravchenko, yes, the former
5:54 Prosecutor General, who recently gave an
5:56 interview, literally today, to an
5:58 American publication, and addressed the
6:01 United States, saying that NABU, SAP,
6:03 and VAKS are working against the
6:05 interests of the American people,
6:07 against peace, against the interests of
6:09 the Trump administration, using American
6:16 In other words, he once again confirmed
6:18 that this is an American vertical, an
6:20 American vertical of external control.
6:26 And then, imagine, Arakhamia arrives in
6:28 America, and the American vertical of
6:31 external control, yes, makes a decision
6:33 about what should be entered into the
6:35 register of pre-trial decisions, yes,
6:38 obliging the Prosecutor General's Office
6:40 to open a criminal case against
6:42 Arakhamia, thus gaining access to the
6:50 So, on the one hand, we understand this
6:52 ; it's all expected.
6:56 Well, imagine, Arakhamia is an American
6:59 citizen, yes, who is accused of paying
7:01 salaries in envelopes to Ukrainian MPs.
7:05 Sasha, what do we have? I don't think
7:08 they paid in hryvnia, right? He says, "
7:09 There were all sorts of people
7:11 >> laughing, everyone's laughing on social
7:13 >> Dollars, 15,000 dollars. Let me remind
7:16 >> they say, "We're Europe, we're Europe."
7:18 But why is everyone buying dollars? You
7:20 know, we're Europe. Well, buy euros.
7:23 It's the gangsters who print euros.
7:26 >> United States has an extraterritorial
7:29 principle of law enforcement.
7:33 This means that if a crime is committed
7:35 using US dollars, it's a matter for the
7:37 American legal system.
7:41 And then imagine, Arakhamia arrives, the
7:44 American hierarchy demands a criminal
7:46 case be opened for committing a crime
7:51 And he, according to unverified
7:53 information, or rather, according to
7:55 multiple confirmations, is also a US
7:59 Do you think he only met with Melania
8:02 Trump there, or was he also brought in
8:04 by the FBI, the CIA, or somewhere else,
8:07 and explained what's included in the
8:09 criminal case, ah, being investigated by
8:14 And what will happen to Arakhamia if he
8:17 doesn't hear the arguments that, ah,
8:19 will be presented to him, yes, by US law
8:26 What will happen to him as an American
8:28 citizen, as a person who committed, well
8:30 , if he's not an American citizen, a
8:32 crime involving US dollars?
8:35 So they're picturing him getting 80
8:37 years, maybe even 120, yes, which is
8:39 what he'll serve if he suddenly refuses
8:42 the offer. What kind of offer could that
8:44 be? I'm just guessing.
8:46 Look, everyone has the same question
8:50 What will happen to Zelenskyy? Will he
8:52 sign or not, to what extent is he, ah,
8:55 completely in the arms of Britain and
8:57 MI6, to what extent is MI6 controlling
9:00 him? What if he digs in his heels and
9:02 refuses to do what the United States
9:06 There's an alternative.
9:09 Considering that all countries, yes,
9:11 most, and, well, the lawyers in these
9:13 countries clearly understand that
9:15 Zelenskyy's legitimacy, ah, legitimacy,
9:18 is highly questionable, that at the end
9:20 of his five-year term, he was supposed
9:22 to hand over his powers to an acting
9:24 president, and that should be the
9:26 speaker of the Verkhovna Rada.
9:29 In other words, he's not legitimate. So
9:32 , who can replace him when something
9:36 Right, a new speaker of parliament.
9:40 Let's not call him a new one, but a
9:42 speaker of parliament whose legitimacy
9:46 Because while the presidential term is
9:48 limited to five years in the
9:49 Constitution, that's not the case with
9:54 There's the principle of continuity of
9:56 power, meaning parliament functions
9:58 until the next elected parliament takes
10:00 the oath of office.
10:03 In other words, the previous one is
10:05 acting in office. So, as of today,
10:08 >> we, we, ah, ah, have they offered
10:10 Arakhamia the post of speaker?
10:12 Or what's his role? That's what I'm
10:16 That is, since Arakhamia is in charge of
10:19 the process in the Verkhovna Rada, no
10:21 matter how they feel about him, his
10:22 communications are fine.
10:27 He's built quite diplomatic
10:28 relationships with all the factions.
10:32 And when necessary, any laws that should
10:34 be passed in Zelenskyy's interests are
10:39 In other words, he can push through and
10:40 orchestrate the passage of any decision
10:43 I don't know what to tell him. What if
10:45 >> the decision isn't in Zelenskyy's
10:51 >> Well, when the question of 120 or 80
10:53 years in prison for David Arakhamia
10:55 personally comes up, I think he won't
10:57 even have a dilemma, Sasha, he'll have a
10:59 clear desire to save himself, because
11:01 Zelenskyy has sold out absolutely
11:10 Zelenskyy even sold out Yermak, sold out
11:12 Shefir, sold out Trofimov, sold out all
11:14 his childhood friends, sold out all his
11:20 So the question is, when will
11:21 Arakhamia's turn come, and he
11:23 understands that Zelenskyy will betray
11:25 him just like everyone else.
11:30 So, if Arakhamia's time has already come
11:32 , if he's been shown his prospects and
11:34 given a task, then we'll now begin
11:36 watching the next episodes we discussed
11:41 But what happens if Zelenskyy digs in
11:44 We discussed it, right?
11:51 There will be new tapes, there will most
11:53 likely be new leaks, parliament will be
11:54 reformed, a new speaker will be elected
11:56 who will be able to act as acting
11:58 president in Zelenskyy's absence.
12:05 How they'll arrange his absence, we can
12:10 But will it be Arakhamia or someone from
12:14 Ah, the big question.
12:17 Plus, I also want to emphasize the
12:22 If Russia agrees with America, yes, on a
12:24 transition period, on holding elections
12:27 someday, on a transition to democratic
12:29 procedures in Ukraine, then
12:34 parliament is also key to resolving this
12:39 In fact, the entire transition period
12:41 could be managed by a transitional
12:43 government, and who will appoint this
12:47 A pro-government coalition, yes, that is
12:50 , a parliamentary majority.
12:55 So, it's entirely possible now, during
12:58 the course of agreements between Russia
13:00 , Ukraine's security guarantors, the
13:02 United States, sponsors, China, and
13:03 Middle Eastern countries, a certain
13:05 vision of a compromise government could
13:07 emerge, people who would be given money
13:10 and security guarantees.
13:18 They would need to be legitimized for
13:20 the period when the rule of law is
13:22 restored, when, well, things will
13:24 stabilize, yes, and the post-war
13:26 processes will get back on track.
13:31 Yes, these people will need to be
13:33 legitimized and voted for.
13:36 These aren't necessarily Ukrainian
13:38 citizens, these aren't necessarily
13:40 people who should...You know, there's
13:42 always been a dilemma: how...well, many
13:44 ...yes, Zelenskyy has driven absolutely
13:47 the entire opposition into exile.
13:49 Absolutely outrageous, absolutely
13:51 illegal, some with sanctions, some with
13:53 criminal cases, but one way or another,
13:55 he forced them out of the country.
13:58 Yes, and most of them have been outside
14:00 of Ukraine for more than three years,
14:02 and therefore cannot participate in the
14:08 So, they are absolutely eligible for the
14:09 Cabinet of Ministers; they don't need to
14:11 be in Ukraine to do so, but they do need
14:13 votes in parliament, and it's quite
14:15 possible that this is one of the tasks
14:17 that will actually be chopped up into
14:22 And he won't have much choice.
14:24 >> Yes, an interesting clarification,
14:26 because you only need to be elected,
14:28 have a quota to be elected. You don't
14:31 have to be appointed. But here's another
14:33 point, a small remark.
14:36 It turns out that with the barrel of a
14:38 gun of criminal cases to your head, we
14:40 will have an American government, yes,
14:42 we will have a transitional government
14:44 that will lead us to a brighter,
14:46 brighter vision of democracy, you
14:51 >> we wouldn't say that, Sasha. You know,
14:54 >> aspen tree doesn't produce oranges. Wait
14:59 >> slightly rephrased my thought.
15:07 Look, post-war Ukraine is in the
15:09 interests of absolutely all its
15:11 neighbors: a non-belligerent Ukraine, a
15:13 spirit of revanchism, and a war-like
15:15 parliament that will say, "Now we'll
15:17 build up our strength, break in, and
15:19 re-enter the 1991 borders," which will
15:21 create a point of destabilization on the
15:24 border of the European Union and the CIS
15:26 —well, two major markets, one way or
15:36 And we understand that wars were fought
15:38 in the Middle East, and here, to reform
15:44 Reforming the global system involves
15:52 finances, technological chains, and
15:54 logistics chains will have to be
15:59 And, therefore, there must be peace,
16:01 calm, and grace on the planet for
16:03 everything to settle down, and for
16:05 everyone to return to their usual task
16:09 I'm talking about global monopolies,
16:11 superpowers, states, and, yes, global
16:15 One way or another, there will have to
16:17 be a period of recovery. So, a peaceful
16:19 Ukraine is, first and foremost, in the
16:21 interests of all of its neighbors.
16:24 They will have to provide funds for a
16:27 But they won't provide funds for
16:29 Zelensky; they will provide funds for
16:31 some comprehensive system, and at the
16:32 same time, this system must be
16:37 It must not contradict the Constitution
16:39 of Ukraine, it must not contradict
16:44 It must be under the auspices of the UN
16:46 , yes, and comply with the UN Charter.
16:53 Therefore, now we still need to figure
16:55 out how to prevent Ukraine from sliding
16:57 into war, so that...Look: you can come
17:00 up with 100,500 guarantees, write
17:02 something for everyone—a new Budapest
17:04 Memorandum, a new charter, a UN charter
17:06 —but it will be based solely on
17:08 interests, solely on fear, solely on the
17:11 balance and parity of armed forces, that
17:13 is, on a new system.
17:19 And to do that, yes, we need to secure
17:21 Ukraine internally.
17:25 And this will be done, well, it seems to
17:27 me, in the simplest possible way,
17:29 according to the scheme I described to
17:32 So, it's not a question of the Muzzle,
17:35 the Americans, or Arakhami.
17:38 It's a question of understanding that a
17:40 period of peace must come.
17:44 >> We discussed it on paper, and you very
17:46 fiercely, I would say even fiercely—not
17:49 fiercely, but fiercely—defended the
17:51 position that these Nabucco guys, this
17:53 external control, all this, all this,
17:55 all this took away sovereignty, broke
17:58 the security forces.
18:00 Well, now they've broken the SBU. No,
18:02 well, not completely, though. This Duque
18:05 , an SBU guy, he wrote a post there
18:07 saying that a tank of was poured on
18:09 me, and people are already chipping in
18:11 for him, almost half of it, they've
18:13 chipped in for bail.
18:15 That other cop, well, the one who left
18:17 the National Police. That is, it would
18:20 have been a game there too, like sport
18:21 fishing, that is, they would have pulled
18:23 him out and let him go. Well, that's
18:25 just the way it is. But, that is, a blow
18:28 was dealt to the security forces.
18:31 And so, you seemed to be advocating that
18:33 this couldn't be done, but now it turns
18:34 out that there's no other way.
18:37 Why is Zelenskyy running around in
18:38 Europe like that? Why is he sitting
18:44 What do you think of the version voiced
18:47 from a completely unexpected source,
18:48 from our former compatriots, exchanged
18:51 for those Azov fighters, by the way, MP
18:59 He started this thing, that it turns out
19:01 that these FBI people who came from
19:03 America, they came specifically for
19:07 So, everything is very clear and
19:09 consistent. Yeah, the Prosecutor
19:11 General's Office, that's it, goodbye
19:14 Kravchenko, blow, then the SBU, blow,
19:16 security forces, blow.
19:20 And this is before our national holiday
19:22 , Maidan, in the middle, somewhere
19:24 between November and December.
19:29 Well, we love Maidan, that's when it
19:32 And so, here we go, Maidan.
19:35 And this is the version being voiced
19:37 there, from Russia, in this, so to speak
19:43 It turns out that Russia will be
19:44 completely satisfied with the people of
19:46 the Ukrainian uliya, who are completely
19:48 seized by the soft tissue and other
19:54 >> Sasha, look, I also saw Medvedchuk's
19:56 statement today, but
20:04 Yes, six months ago, when all sorts of
20:06 confrontations between NABU, the SBU,
20:08 and so on began, I said that NABU and
20:10 the American anti-corruption vertical
20:12 are not the property of the Democrats,
20:14 that they are an instrument of the
20:16 United States of America.
20:25 And if the consensus among the American
20:27 elites is that the war must end, then
20:29 this vertical will work in the interests
20:31 of the United States, and not of
20:33 individual parties, like the Republicans
20:40 So what Medvedchuk is saying now—he's
20:43 simply Captain Obvious, right?
20:46 Back then, when everyone was arguing
20:48 about whether it was the Democrats, the
20:50 Europeans, or the Sorosites squeezing,
20:52 or whatever, I clearly said it was an
20:53 instrument of the United States.
20:57 But look, there are strategic objectives
21:01 And according to these strategic
21:03 objectives, this tool will work in
21:04 America's interests.
21:06 And then there are operational
21:10 And there's the so-called grant
21:12 community, there's Fiala.
21:16 You know him, yes, a Ukrainian oligarch
21:19 who was aligned with Soros, with the
21:21 democrats—yes, he was a champion of this
21:30 He owns Ukrayinska Pravda and Bigus.info
21:32 , meaning he has institutional tools,
21:34 including media outlets, which are used
21:37 to resolve the issues of the Sorosites.
21:45 They resolve the issues of grant
21:46 recipients who are left without external
21:50 They've built a unique ecosystem.
21:55 NABU catches everyone, compromises
21:56 everyone, forces them to plea bargain
21:59 with investigators.
22:03 As a result of this plea bargain, some
22:05 of the money goes to the budget, some
22:07 goes to the foundations of, uh,
22:12 Sternenko and Prytula.
22:16 Money from these foundations is spent,
22:18 uh, for its intended purpose, laundered
22:20 , and grant organizations are supported
22:22 with the laundered money.
22:29 You probably don't know, but NABU
22:31 detectives receive a salary, part of it
22:33 from the Ukrainian budget, and part from
22:35 special funds that oversee this Fiala.
22:40 So, strategically, NABU will resolve
22:50 US issues, and operationally, it will
22:52 ensure the interests of this entire
22:53 ecosystem, the interests of Fiala, the
22:55 interests of the grant community, and
22:57 will generate the necessary funds to
22:59 maintain and support the functioning of
23:06 Therefore, there are several
23:08 beneficiaries here. The main, undisputed
23:11 beneficiary is the US.
23:13 And they will push through any decision
23:15 , because they created this vertical.
23:17 But once they have achieved their
23:19 strategic objectives, they
23:24 will not delve into how this structure
23:26 operates and whose interests it
23:27 simultaneously defends.
23:31 So, in parallel defending these
23:33 interests, grant recipients are trying
23:35 to seize as much power as possible for
23:41 And what Dudka said, what Kravchenko
23:43 said today about the systemic takeover
23:45 of the institution of power is
23:54 And when we spoke, I told you I'm
23:55 concerned that the high-ranking
23:57 negotiating parties are simply unaware
23:59 of what's actually happening on the
24:00 ground in Ukraine, that Moscow isn't
24:02 aware either, believe me.
24:07 And I don't think Washington is either.
24:15 They negotiate haphazardly, generally
24:17 speaking, yes, within general guidelines
24:19 , but a country ruled by the Sternenkos
24:21 , grant-eaters, and so on, won't be
24:23 completely governable and could actually
24:25 undermine any agreements reached during
24:28 this period, because right now,
24:29 institutional power is being seized once
24:42 If foreign experts coordinate and select
24:44 law enforcement officials, then those
24:46 who select them will effectively be
24:47 running law enforcement agencies.
24:53 And the state is, first and foremost, a
24:56 coercive apparatus.
24:59 And it exercises this coercion
25:00 exclusively through state institutions,
25:02 through the law enforcement system.
25:06 That is, these instruments can control
25:08 politicians, they can control officials
25:11 , and therefore the country. Does
25:15 >> Moscow suit Moscow, excuse me?
25:20 Well, we have two armies that are
25:27 The only difference is that the Russian
25:30 army is mostly contracted—well, the
25:32 lion's share, 90%, I won't say the
25:34 percentage, so as not to get caught.
25:38 The Russian army is where people are
25:40 under contract, and ours are, let's say
25:42 , captured people. Those who keep asking
25:44 me, last time they asked: what are the
25:46 Ukrainians fighting for? They need to
25:50 They need to survive.
25:52 In general, with peace approaching,
25:54 everyone keeps saying, "Is there any
25:55 hope for peace?" Plenty. There are
25:58 plenty of signs of peace.
26:00 I'll tell you only two. The first is
26:02 that Lukashenko is with Putin today.
26:05 And somehow, you know...Well, I, well,
26:08 knowing simply...Well, you know this.
26:12 It's such an administrative-meaning
26:16 What did Putin say to Lukashenko?
26:19 Thank you, Alexander Grigorievich, for
26:21 your active involvement in the
26:22 humanitarian process, for the exchanges
26:24 we conduct through your territory, and
26:26 for the professionals you have working
26:29 You know, it's like a medal for a job
26:31 well done. That is, everything,
26:33 everything is being completed. It's a
26:35 kind of intelligence signal. And it's
26:37 all very benevolent. These are very
26:39 accurate statements, all that stuff.
26:41 They have a security forum going on in
26:44 And the second point: as the end
26:46 approaches, we will learn much more.
26:51 Out of the blue, political scientist
26:53 Romanenko calls instructor Cherny to see
26:55 him, and he calls another soldier, who
26:57 told his story of how he was almost
26:58 killed at the front, when they took his
27:01 cap and combat boots.
27:04 And about the extortion in the army.
27:06 And they went into great detail there,
27:08 well, about how they gave the soldiers
27:10 sacks, and they looted the copper—in
27:12 short, the copper, everything of value,
27:16 And so, these are just soldiers '
27:19 How are we used to it? How did I get
27:21 used to it as a kid? A war veteran comes
27:23 and tells us how they fought there, how
27:27 And these are modern soldiers' stories,
27:29 basically the truth, yes, that's how it
27:35 And it's crawling out now.
27:37 They're trying to somehow feed us the
27:41 This is another intelligence sign that
27:44 And I'll explain why.
27:48 I mean, people seriously think they can
27:50 cover up the complete failure to defend
27:52 Kyiv, the embezzlement of money and the
27:54 general lack of preparedness for
27:58 That is, winter will come right away.
28:01 Hello, Kyivites, it will be terrible,
28:05 And they're covering for it: they found
28:07 some boxer, a former Sokolov, showed him
28:09 there with a luxurious Rolls-Royce
28:11 crocodile, all that stuff, where he
28:13 lives, and how he hangs out with chicks
28:15 on social media. And that's it, people
28:17 breathe a sigh of relief. Ah, so that's
28:19 where our money is.
28:21 1.5 billion hryvnias is a mini-truck
28:25 And he has three people working for his
28:28 Wait, where were all the countries,
28:30 where is everything? What, who did you
28:32 give it to? Do you think people are
28:35 The answer is yes, but this is also a
28:38 A very sign of the end—to write off, to
28:40 push off, to finish and end.
28:43 I asked you a simple question.
28:49 Does Moscow like the government and de
28:51 facto external governance of Ukraine
28:53 after the war, under, uh, what do you
28:55 mean, a guillotine or a sword or an axe
28:57 from the United States of America?
29:06 >> Sasha, as usual, you've touched on
29:08 everything, so how can you squeeze in an
29:11 Let's start from the beginning.
29:15 Mm, Sasha, I'm sure I won't get any
29:17 awards, but I already said back in
29:19 January of 1925 that November is the
29:21 month when all the final agreements will
29:26 There was so much shouting and screaming
29:28 Just a couple of months ago, you were
29:30 saying this was all nonsense, even
29:32 though you're talking about it happening
29:35 Back then, I said Russia wasn't waging a
29:41 Yes, they opened a criminal case against
29:43 me for justifying Russia's aggression.
29:48 And I'll tell you now: do you see Russia
29:55 in Ukraine's post-war life?
30:01 Russia's primary concern is ensuring its
30:09 Let's just imagine, to our horror, how
30:11 the Russian military and so on might
30:20 Well, there's no goal, and there never
30:24 What Zelenskyy just said—that if we give
30:27 up Donbas, it won't stop Putin;
30:29 otherwise, why would he even approach
30:32 It's 800 km from Donbas.
30:36 Putin wanted regime change in Ukraine: a
30:39 puppet regime that had shut down
30:41 opposition parties, shut down TV
30:42 channels, broken and banned [the
30:49 Yes, there was a possible peaceful
30:51 political outcome, yes, with competing
30:53 ideas, yes, and the possibility of
30:55 somehow putting Ukraine on a peaceful
30:57 path to resolving its problems without
30:59 war, yes, and securing a neutral,
31:01 non-aligned status.
31:07 It was clear that Zelenskyy, a deeply
31:09 covert, and even overt, agent of Great
31:11 Britain, was leading the country to war
31:16 And the idea that he didn't know
31:17 anything about it or didn't imagine that
31:19 he expected peace is untrue.
31:22 If he didn't intend to start a war on
31:24 Ukrainian territory, he wouldn't have
31:32 NATO exercises on Ukrainian territory.
31:37 NATO planes wouldn't have simulated
31:38 nuclear weapons drops on Russian
31:44 He wouldn't have built a military base
31:46 for Great Britain in Ochakov, he
31:47 wouldn't have spoken at the Munich
31:49 Conference, and so on.
31:53 So, Russia didn't intend to seize
31:55 Ukraine, and it doesn't need Ukrainian
31:59 Russia needs its own security. It has
32:01 sufficient resources.
32:05 Its area of interest, as history has
32:07 shown, is within the European Union,
32:09 many officials have properties in the
32:11 Lake Como region, in the Mediterranean
32:13 region—yes, so many villas, so many have
32:20 I haven't really seen the interests of
32:22 the Russian establishment reflected
32:23 anywhere in Ukraine.
32:30 Therefore, if Russia now agrees on a
32:32 security architecture and ensures that
32:34 Ukraine cannot threaten Russia, it won't
32:36 care what happens on Ukrainian territory
32:41 And I'll tell you what will happen on
32:43 Ukrainian territory.
32:44 What Kolomoisky said.
32:47 If Ukraine stops fighting Russia, they
32:49 won't give it any more money.
32:56 Let's just imagine for a second what
32:57 would happen to a country that won't
32:59 receive any more money, whose external
33:01 debt is twice, five times, I'd bet,
33:03 larger than its GDP, and which has
33:05 absolutely no chance of repaying or
33:07 working off this debt.
33:13 What would happen internally?
33:16 Can you imagine the tension, the turmoil
33:18 , and the processes that would unfold if
33:20 Ukraine were sealed off within its
33:22 borders, the military came to power, and
33:24 there was no money.
33:27 It would be a civil conflict. What would
33:34 The understanding that our state,
33:36 Ukraine, can't afford itself, and most
33:38 importantly, can't provide for it.
33:42 And it would most likely then collapse,
33:44 yes, into a number of parts.
33:49 Therefore, my friends, if you just stop
33:51 idealizing the situation for a second
33:53 and don't think that when the war ends,
33:55 foreign investors will flock here, ah,
33:57 all lined up, trying to find something
34:06 And you'll understand that a completely
34:08 different story could emerge, a
34:09 completely different scenario, one that
34:11 will be even more horrific than, well,
34:13 four and a half years of war, because
34:15 for those four and a half years, Ukraine
34:17 wasn't just keeping a closed account,
34:23 They signed contracts, they allocated
34:25 compensation money, yes, for the
34:27 destroyed energy sector, they covered
34:29 any cash flow gaps and budget deficits.
34:35 So, after the war ends, if everyone in
34:37 the perimeter understands that Ukraine
34:39 can't threaten the countries of the
34:41 European Union, won't threaten the
34:43 Russian Federation, and everyone stops
34:45 giving money there, we'll simply have,
34:47 well, we'll have a civil war, my friends
34:59 Therefore, when I propose something,
35:01 when I say that a transitional
35:03 government would be better, yes,
35:04 security guarantees, investors—yes, I'm
35:07 not holding a gun to my head; this is
35:09 the only possible scenario in which we
35:11 preserve our statehood, we preserve our
35:13 state, we can create a system in which
35:15 we try to bring our people back from
35:17 Europe and survive.
35:25 Because if all this doesn't happen, if
35:27 Russia turns its back for a second or a
35:29 couple of years, friends, we will lose
35:34 And we will be divided.
35:36 We will simply be divided, as I once
35:38 said back in 1914, like a patchwork
35:42 Yes, the Europeans will make their
35:46 Some territories will most likely ask to
35:48 join the Russian Federation, and some
35:52 And, my friends, this is the saddest
35:54 thing that can happen.
35:57 So to think that Russia is sitting and
35:59 simply dreaming of somehow overcoming
36:01 this, yes, gaining control over what
36:03 will happen after the war.
36:06 But why? Ask yourself. Why waste these
36:15 tilt at windmills, yes, convincing the
36:17 population that it is not the enemy, if
36:19 you can simply wait and see what happens
36:22 And what will happen is clear.
36:24 So, Sasha, the question is incorrect.
36:27 How to convince Russia?
36:35 Russia, Europe, China, and the United
36:37 States need to agree today that Ukraine
36:39 should remain, should retain its
36:41 statehood, should retain at least some
36:43 initial sovereignty in order to prepare
36:45 for the transition to democratic
36:56 And to gain the right to restoration,
36:58 the right to debt forgiveness.
37:01 This is a colossal task.
37:05 We gather on Mondays and discuss, well,
37:07 a ton of these issues at the forum.
37:11 And I say, "Guys, we urgently need to
37:13 create a plan, a plan for post-war
37:19 If we don't present it, if we don't
37:21 convince the international community
37:23 that we have the right to be, to live,
37:25 and to exist as a state, the easiest
37:27 option is security guarantees and simply
37:36 We'll kill each other with the level of
37:38 hatred, with the return of the military
37:40 from the front, yes, with the capture of
37:42 the TCC and all the rest.
37:47 think for a second about what will
37:50 So, Sasha, the question needs to be
37:52 phrased differently.
37:55 The question is, even in our interviews
37:57 with you, yes, when we discuss this, I
38:03 And if they do want to save us, the
38:05 Sorosites must be rooted out.
38:09 I am far from under any illusion that
38:11 the United States will let go of this
38:12 vertical of control they created, yes,
38:17 The United States has guaranteed
38:21 They want to get back the 300 billion,
38:23 they have a resource deal, yes, they
38:25 hope to extract from our country the
38:26 mineral wealth that Zelenskyy had no
38:28 right to give away, but paid with it,
38:33 But they will also have to somehow
38:39 And NABU will probably remain, but the
38:41 Prytuls, Sternenkos, Fialas–this
38:43 construct that is focused on money, on
38:45 supporting this corrupt community, which
38:47 is considered foreign agents.
38:54 All of this must be rooted out, because
38:56 we need to return the country to the
39:02 If this doesn't happen, if Ukraine tries
39:04 to survive as someone else's tool, it
39:06 won't survive, because no one behind it
39:13 You still haven't answered on the third
39:16 Maybe you can answer the question.
39:18 Does Moscow accept this set of demands?
39:23 >> You don't see the demands, Sasha.
39:25 You don't see the demands. We don't know
39:27 what they're agreeing on.
39:31 There is no peace plan.
39:34 If only we could see the 28 points, yes
39:38 I laid out these 28 points in detail on
39:41 Telegram on November 22nd of last year,
39:43 explaining why this can't be, why this
39:45 is a step towards war.
39:50 If only we could see a real agreement
39:52 between Russia and the United States
39:54 today, I would tell you: Ukraine is
39:55 doomed, or Ukraine will survive, or this
39:58 and that need to be changed.
40:02 Because I understand how the system,
40:05 formed, yes, with the "Rosyatki," works
40:07 internally—how things work, what the
40:16 We have a lot of subjective things that
40:18 , you know, without understanding the
40:20 specifics of Ukrainian domestic politics
40:22 , are impossible to discern, well, with
40:25 the naked eye, or even with the armed
40:27 eye, from outside, from neighboring
40:28 states, because, well, you have to be in
40:30 touch, yes, you have to have some kind
40:39 You understand what's really going on
40:41 and who's pushing the main issues right
40:45 So, should I tell you that Shabunin is
40:47 the same as Klymenko, and they have a
40:53 Should I tell you that, say, Poroshenko
40:55 , yes, paid half the money into the
40:57 budget, and the other half was laundered
41:00 through Ternenko for drones and returned
41:02 to finance FIAL, Ukrainska Pravda, Bigus
41:04 , and all that other stuff?
41:09 If I get those documents soon, I'll show
41:14 But just so you understand, this is
41:20 They're robbing Ukraine, robbing
41:21 American taxpayers, and creating a whole
41:23 new layer of things that will ruin plans
41:25 and major agreements.
41:30 In fact, it could be a time bomb under
41:32 the entire structure currently being
41:34 discussed as a new security architecture
41:41 You understand, if the country isn't
41:43 governed by people who will act within
41:45 the overall framework of agreements, and
41:47 they don't care about the country or
41:49 these agreements, and they become, well
41:51 , a tool to be manipulated—yes, like in
41:53 the IRP—but this is a new war, a
41:55 breakdown of all agreements and a slide
41:57 into World War III, in fact.
42:03 And this is the main threat, which is
42:05 why we're discussing this, I've
42:07 discussed it in other interviews, I
42:08 constantly point this out to get people
42:13 This is, in fact, a catastrophic
42:15 situation. And even the SBU generals are
42:18 now talking about this.
42:20 Look, I have little respect for them.
42:25 Everyone who serves Zelenskyy's regime
42:30 And I'm not even looking at the drug
42:31 cartels right now, to what extent
42:35 Again, everyone who serves Zelenskyy
42:37 doesn't serve Ukraine, they serve him.
42:42 And if they haven't put an end to this
42:44 anti-corruption vertical, this
42:45 instrument of external control, they
42:47 can't call themselves the Security
42:48 Service of Ukraine, because they've
42:50 screwed Ukraine over precisely by
42:52 pandering to this vertical.
42:56 And now I have absolutely no, well, not
42:58 even a drop of pity for them.
43:02 But now they're starting to talk, yes,
43:04 they're starting to tell you who they've
43:06 imprisoned, how, how this vertical works
43:11 Kravchenko is giving an interview from
43:13 Austria and saying that a power grab is
43:15 underway within Ukraine.
43:17 Wasn't this obvious before? No, well,
43:23 Yes, they pushed through this law, but
43:26 Zelenskyy, who was caught on tape and in
43:28 the Midas affair—yes, you saw it at that
43:30 ill-fated hacienda, Kravchenko wrote
43:32 about it—yes, Zelenskyy is number one,
43:34 and they're pressuring him.
43:41 I mean, well, the Prosecutor General
43:43 essentially confirmed—think about it,
43:45 confirmed—that Zelenskyy owns real
43:47 estate built with corrupt money from the
43:49 Ministry of Energy, which was overseen
43:51 by his partner in the ninety-fifth
43:56 And so it's routine. Well, they're
43:59 pressuring Zelenskyy because he's the
44:00 only one on these tapes.
44:02 Holy cow, the president, the Prosecutor
44:04 General says he's the number one corrupt
44:07 official on the tapes.
44:08 And so it's routine. And Europe is
44:11 silent, and the Americans are silent.
44:13 Look, they can make a fool of him now,
44:17 But the issue and Zelenskyy's fate
44:19 interest me little.
44:24 I'm interested in Ukraine's fate and
44:26 this consolidated decision that the
44:27 country must be preserved as a buffer,
44:29 as, I don't know, an economic zone, yes
44:31 , because it's important for the
44:33 unification of greater Europe.
44:39 Whether it's a carcass, a side, or a
44:41 dummy, I think every Ukrainian is
44:42 interested in this happening.
44:46 And if anyone thinks that if things get
44:48 heated in Ukraine, it will
44:53 somehow fall apart, be divided, and that
44:55 will be fine...Friends, there's no such
44:58 thing as controlled chaos.
45:04 You can't imagine what will happen when
45:06 even 20 million people, driven to
45:08 despair, find themselves with closed
45:10 borders, under military control, yes,
45:12 with sufficient weapons, and then
45:14 suddenly something changes in the world
45:16 , yes, and new money is injected into
45:23 This will mean a new resumption of war,
45:26 which, I think, no sane person wants.
45:29 >> In this, in this story. We now have
45:31 military control, press huts, something
45:34 is changing in the world, see?
45:37 People can't leave, they're being caught
45:39 , every day there's some kind of
45:40 shootout, some kind of conflict, you
45:43 And they show us some boxers, some
45:45 strange people. We're in this situation
45:47 now. Do you understand what's going on?
45:51 There's also this issue here, well,
45:53 again, I'm not arguing for the sake of
45:55 arguing with you, but there's a very
46:01 I was just trying to raise the first
46:03 part of my questions, well, sort of, yes
46:05 , in the sense of, will Russia be
46:07 satisfied with the outcome of this war,
46:09 a bloody one for Russia?
46:13 Well, let's say this, with the
46:15 destruction, with Ukraine being handed
46:17 over to America, say, right? Will it be
46:20 satisfactory or not? It's satisfactory,
46:22 fine. A transition to democratic
46:24 procedures. And what kind of democratic
46:30 You see, people are just sitting there,
46:32 they've been with some pro-American
46:34 government for a while, and yet they're
46:36 seething, they're hurting, it's been a
46:38 year, for some it's been two, for others
46:40 , well, I mean, they held funerals in
46:45 That's it, but revanchism is still
46:48 And it will play out in any case, you
46:50 see, after so many victims and so many
46:53 >> the main thing is,
46:56 no one is removing the threat.
47:02 >> Sasha, look, you have to understand that
47:04 agreements, agreements, reaching
47:06 compromises in this case between the US
47:08 and Russia mean that a solution will be
47:10 found that suits the two superpowers.
47:16 That is, this is not a US victory. The
47:19 US did not win this war.
47:23 At this point in history, it's
47:24 absolutely clear that the efforts of
47:26 fifty countries, with the help of
47:28 Ukraine, have failed to defeat the
47:29 Russian Federation.
47:35 They failed to oust the Russian
47:37 Federation's leadership, install
47:39 loyalists, and pump resources into
47:41 Europe again at 200 euros apiece, so
47:43 that Europe would prosper, yes, and cut
47:45 Russia off from China, so that China
47:53 So, we need to change the paradigm. We
47:55 talked about it, right?
47:57 Russia isn't negotiating from a weaker
47:59 position right now.
48:02 But you can't say it's from a position
48:04 of victory, meaning everyone truly feels
48:06 a sense of victory, right?
48:09 What if, as they said, it had reached
48:11 the borders of 1990, 1939, yes, even the
48:17 Guys, that didn't happen, but it's
48:19 impossible for the US to continue this
48:23 We discussed it, yes, because it makes
48:29 And Europe can't cope, because in this
48:31 situation, Europe is losing industry
48:33 after industry, entering into, well,
48:35 domestic political turmoil, yes, they
48:37 have a ton of demonstrations, a ton of
48:39 discontent, and, in fact, there's an
48:41 exodus of both capital and people.
48:52 And in this case, yes, Russia still
48:54 holds a better hand than it did in 2021.
48:56 Well, I'm using Trump's terminology when
48:58 they laid out the terms of the security
49:01 architecture for Biden.
49:08 If Trump is talking about a security
49:10 architecture now, that means Russia is
49:13 achieving the result it wants 100%, 80%
49:19 I can't judge right now.
49:23 We can analyze this after all the deals
49:25 are concluded, after we see the terms of
49:27 the peace settlement.
49:33 But even what the US President is
49:35 articulating suggests that the United
49:37 States is making certain compromises
49:38 that don't even suit Europe, or even
49:47 But they will definitely accept these
49:49 terms, because, I say again, Europe is a
49:52 Again, visit my Telegram channel,
49:54 subscribe to my YouTube channel.
49:56 I describe this there constantly, giving
49:59 examples and figures.
50:01 Europe, once again, has been occupied
50:03 since 1945, is completely dependent on
50:06 the United States, and will do what the
50:08 United States needs.
50:10 No matter how much they brag now, no
50:12 matter how much they're adopting not a
50:13 position but a pose. It's a pose, not a
50:17 Their pose, their position is
50:21 >> Again, knee-and-elbow or knee-and-elbow
50:23 . I understand that in Germany, Merz
50:26 hasn't given a damn about Ukraine,
50:28 saying, "I'm for Ukraine," but there's
50:31 There's no gas in Germany. Winter is
50:34 coming now, and there's no gas. Well,
50:36 that's just today's news.
50:38 But on the other hand, remember, Trump
50:43 And then this story is just beginning,
50:45 that now, now until the elections, yes,
50:47 until the elections, until these ones
50:49 that have just taken place. Now. And
50:51 everyone was saying, "Oh, my God, two
50:53 years." What until the elections? What
50:55 are you talking about?
50:56 And now we're at the two-year mark again
51:00 Again. That is, in principle, it's
51:02 impossible, given the way Russia is
51:04 currently enduring everything there—
51:07 well, they'll say, it's impossible. But
51:09 back then, that also seemed impossible.
51:12 So they'll just wait another two years
51:14 until Trump leaves.
51:16 And then, look, Putin will leave. They
51:19 have elections in 2030, right? So what?
51:22 They won't live to see Putin, until
51:24 Putin dies. Kolomoisky told us the same
51:27 thing. They'll live as long as there's a
51:29 power struggle, yes, yes, and they won't
51:31 elect Putin again; they'll elect someone
51:35 So, you see, it's like they lack a
51:37 position and a vision, but they've
51:39 already floundered for two years.
51:42 Now we're in a period where they'll
51:44 flounder for another two years. And this
51:47 is evidence that the forces, resources,
51:49 opportunities, plans, and, well, they do
51:52 exist, and we shouldn't underestimate
51:55 this side—the geopolitical war party, so
52:00 >> Sasha, once again, the war party. The
52:03 war party, let's understand, is those
52:05 who profit from this war.
52:09 War strategy and war tactics have
52:13 Now the main technologies used in modern
52:16 warfare are bringing in money for China
52:20 These aren't Abrams, they aren't
52:22 Highmars, they aren't Panthers, they
52:24 aren't Leopards—not European, not
52:26 American, but Chinese weaponry.
52:31 Second, next year is an election year in
52:33 the European Union.
52:36 And judging by what's happening in
52:38 France, Le Pen is leading and will win
52:40 in every possible way and come to power
52:44 She opposes continuing the conflict,
52:46 favors normalizing relations with Russia
52:49 , resuming trade, and, yes, resolving
52:51 disputes with the previous ones. Let's
52:54 take Germany—the AfD.
52:58 The same postulates are against the
53:00 current agenda, against supplying
53:02 Ukraine, for resuming trade with Russia
53:05 , for the launch of Nord Stream, and so
53:10 But Bulgaria is categorically against it
53:13 , doesn't support EU policy. The Czech
53:15 Republic doesn't support Brussels '
53:17 policies. Slovakia doesn't.
53:20 The Hungarians, as expected, blocked
53:23 points four and five.
53:25 Yes, there's EU accession for Ukraine,
53:27 and he has no intention of doing so.
53:30 While we're sitting here, he unblocked
53:32 them. He blocked them again today. He
53:34 >> already unblocked them today.
53:37 >> Hungary unblocked them. Merz says
53:39 everyone should unblock them completely
53:42 Well, just before the broadcast, just
53:45 >> broadcast, look again, he blocked points
53:48 four and five, and Hungary blocked this
53:52 No answer. Why? They said they'd review
53:57 This time, they didn't blackmail us with
54:00 , um, national minorities.
54:09 >> Well, what am I getting at?
54:12 >> Hungary still hasn't given the green
54:15 light to open clusters four and five for
54:17 Ukraine and Moldova in the EU accession
54:19 negotiations. Cluster four—green agenda
54:24 At the same time, as Ukrainian Deputy
54:26 Prime Minister for European Integration
54:29 Vsevolod Chentsov explained, Hungary is
54:31 not yet making new demands regarding the
54:34 rights of national minorities.
54:36 According to him, Budapest explains the
54:39 delay by the need for further review of
54:41 documents on the relevant negotiating
54:46 Therefore, there are many countries
54:48 around Ukraine that do not support the
54:50 previous agenda, and sitting it out
54:55 Let me remind you again that the
54:56 president's rise to power in the United
54:59 States is primarily a consensus of
55:04 And Trump initially came up with an
55:06 agenda of ending the conflict,
55:08 distancing Russia from China, and so on
55:13 Therefore, the world is changing.
55:16 And it must change soon by normalizing
55:21 Money still rules the world, no matter
55:25 Unfortunately, there are no other values
55:27 that would have such an impact on the
55:29 development of the situation as a whole
55:32 >> this is also money, unfortunately, yes,
55:35 and fortunately for many. So, all or
55:38 >> whom? World War II made the United
55:40 States a superpower.
55:44 While Eurasia lay in ruins, the United
55:46 States made money, created international
55:49 institutions, made its currency an
55:51 international means of payment, yes,
55:53 they created the International Monetary
55:56 Fund, the Bretton Woods system, and
55:58 climbed that mountain as a result of the
56:00 Cold War, becoming a hegemon.
56:05 But now the situation is fundamentally
56:08 It's changing for Europe, it's changing
56:11 for the United States.
56:13 The United States can't solve its
56:15 problems militarily in the Middle East.
56:18 But they couldn't defeat Iran, could
56:20 they? They couldn't.
56:21 They spent a ton of resources, caused a
56:24 ton of destruction, yes, they used up
56:26 the bulk of their anti-missile defenses
56:28 , and they couldn't solve the problem
56:32 They wanted to force China to make
56:34 certain decisions, so they launched an
56:36 economic war against it.
56:39 And they couldn't achieve any results
56:41 either, because China responded by
56:43 banning the supply of certain goods, and
56:45 the United States was forced to abandon
56:50 The United States can no longer
56:52 influence the world unilaterally—either
56:54 through military or economic might.
56:57 Therefore, the world is changing, and it
57:00 The question is how, at what cost.
57:05 But Biden's time, yes, led Trump to
57:07 victory so that this cost would be
57:10 minimal, so that he could complete his
57:16 And he articulated it openly, not
57:18 proclaimed it, during his election
57:20 campaign and victory.
57:22 Therefore, friends, he will complete
57:24 this; Europe won't stand in his way, and
57:27 he won't be able to sit it out.
57:30 We are on the threshold of key decisions
57:32 and will witness them.