0:00 If you add that with the fact that the
0:04 um 2021 sorry were weeks or I think
0:07 months before the invasion and then
0:08 there was further military drills
0:10 between Belarus and Russia
0:12 uh weeks before the invasion. Does that
0:15 concern you more because Lithuania seems
0:16 pretty concerned. They sent 30 or 40,000
0:18 30,000 troops to the border with
0:21 >> I am completely unconcerned and in fact
0:24 NATO headquarters has published a
0:27 saying that they do not regard what
0:29 happened with these unmanned systems,
0:31 these drones as you call them
0:33 as an attack on Poland.
0:35 Uh that's completely false.
0:37 I I think you've got to be careful when
0:39 you start connecting these various
0:40 events. It's sort of like saying well
0:42 uh Colonel McGregor you graduated from
0:44 West Point in 1976 and since then you've
0:47 been involved in many operations some of
0:52 unjustified or even illegal.
0:55 Uh and as a result we want to know
0:57 whether or not you think you're a war
1:00 It's ridiculous. So adding those events
1:03 up and trying to make something out of
1:05 them is a waste of time.
1:06 I did look at the uh zone the so-called
1:09 drones that that ended up in Poland.
1:12 Only one struck anything and none of
1:17 Uh they seem to have been picked up and
1:20 through electronic warfare redirected in
1:23 The Byelorussians tracked these drones
1:28 eastern Ukraine or out of northwestern
1:31 Ukraine headed west. They informed the
1:34 the Polish authorities that these were
1:36 They actually shot some down
1:39 and the Polish authorities then
1:41 subsequently attacked them or sent up
1:43 aircraft trying to deal with them. They
1:45 seem to have actually shot down 20%
1:49 uh but the wreckage that's been examined
1:51 there were no explosives.
1:53 Uh so there was no intention to harm
1:54 anybody and it looks like these were
1:56 simply caught up in this massive
1:58 electronic warfare environment. I mean
2:01 most people don't understand that today
2:02 in Ukraine, White Russia,
2:05 Poland, Lithuania, all these areas,
2:09 electronic warfare underway where people
2:11 are not only trying to track things but
2:13 also defeat intrusions.
2:16 So bottom line is NATO has said no, we
2:19 don't regardless as an attack at all. So
2:21 then the next question comes, why are
2:23 there 40,000 troops on the Polish border
2:26 facing Belarus? Because that's what I'm
2:28 told has gone there.
2:30 And I got into contact with some of my
2:32 reliable Polish sources and they
2:35 confirmed be confirmed to me universally
2:38 said this is theater.
2:40 This is the Polish government trying to
2:42 play up something that is otherwise
2:46 and it plays to a certain audience in
2:48 Poland that is still paranoid about
2:50 And it it's an attempt also to
2:52 strengthen in some people's minds
2:55 Poland's connection to NATO. And you can
2:57 roll all of those things together. But
2:59 the truth is there's no Russian threat
3:01 to Poland. There's no Russian intention
3:03 to attack Poland. This was not an attack
3:06 on Poland as NATO has already stated
3:09 So I think this we can bury this. It's
3:13 >> Before we bury it, we agree on
3:15 everything so far. There's only one
3:17 thing I want to question is the
3:18 intention behind the drones. So I don't
3:20 think Russia intended to attack Poland.
3:22 I remember when I was sleeping my team
3:23 woke me up saying Poland's under attack.
3:25 It reminded me of the the G was it the
3:30 when when the G during G20 when there
3:31 was a Ukrainian drone I think or
3:33 anti-defense missile that landed in
3:35 Poland and everyone was up in arms.
3:36 Yeah, exactly. Reminded me of that day.
3:37 There's been a few incursions since
3:39 pretty you know it's expected during
3:41 during the war. But the only question I
3:43 have has been reports. First a lot of
3:45 analysts are saying this was intentional
3:46 not to attack Poland but to test either
3:49 NATO's resolve for political theater,
3:51 political posturing or to test the the
3:54 air defense system in Poland which
3:58 And there's also reports that came out
3:59 I'm not sure if you've seen these that
4:00 the drones which were decoy drones as
4:02 you said they had an additional fuel
4:03 tank which wouldn't be needed if they
4:05 were targeting Ukraine. I'm not an
4:07 expert. Do would you is it a possibility
4:10 that that was not to attack Poland but
4:11 to test NATO's resolve or NATO's
4:13 capabilities or or the speed of
4:16 >> Uh you know I'm skeptical of that
4:19 Uh I'm much much more prepared to
4:22 believe that the Ukrainians
4:24 uh misdirected these drones in order to
4:27 create the illusion of a Russian assault
4:31 That I could believe much more readily
4:33 than what you just described. As for the
4:34 additional fuel tanks I'm unfamiliar
4:36 with that again. I haven't seen the
4:37 wreckage. This is the first I've heard
4:40 Again I'm skeptical of that sort of
4:42 thing. Sounds like someone's reaching.
4:45 You know the the business of
4:47 [clears throat] testing NATO resolve
4:49 on my question is what NATO resolve?
4:54 Uh I don't see any evidence that there
4:56 are any NATO armies mobilizing and
5:00 [clears throat] Right now the French
5:02 military is waiting to be called into
5:05 duty inside France against uh
5:07 people inside France that threaten the
5:10 I think something similar could happen
5:13 and in Germany they seem to be rounding
5:15 up everyone who is a quote-unquote
5:18 who's in uniform and imprisoning them.
5:21 I don't see much evidence for NATO
5:24 [clears throat and cough]
5:25 there's no reason to test it because it
5:27 doesn't exist. I don't think uh Moscow
5:30 is in the least worried about anybody in
5:32 Western Europe militarily at this point.
5:36 And on the other hand I I think it's
5:37 made be been made pretty clear by
5:39 President Trump even though he continues
5:41 to say he's going to send more equipment
5:43 and aid to Ukraine that he's largely
5:45 disinterested in becoming involved there
5:48 and is turning his attention elsewhere.
5:51 >> Uh Colonel I want to ask you more a
5:53 broader question that just came to my
5:54 mind now. We've talked a lot a lot about
5:56 nuanced discussions about Ukraine war
5:58 what's happening in Gaza Hezbollah that
5:59 was our first discussion was prior to
6:01 the war in Hezbollah when we met in I
6:02 think it was in Washington.
6:04 what's your stance on America's military
6:06 capabilities? We saw the drills, the um,
6:09 not the drills, the military parade in
6:11 China surprised a lot of analysts in
6:13 terms of their capabilities.
6:16 a more direct question would be, where
6:18 do you place the US now in terms of
6:19 military might and how would you compare
6:21 it to China and also Russia?
6:24 >> Well, we know that we can sink unarmed
6:30 that are otherwise undefended.
6:33 We've done that in the Caribbean. That's
6:34 the latest naval victory for the US
6:38 Look, I think the United States Armed
6:42 [clears throat] right now are still for
6:43 the most part what I would call legacy
6:47 In other words, these these forces
6:48 collectively are a tribute to the Second
6:50 World War and the Cold War.
6:52 We're still operating within a frame
6:57 that is really increasingly irrelevant.
7:00 What we've done is we've taken some new
7:02 technologies from time to time, new
7:06 capabilities, repackaged them inside the
7:09 existing force structure.
7:11 I guess what I'm trying to say is
7:12 there's nothing really new
7:14 in the US Armed Forces over the last 20
7:16 or 30 years that we can point to as
7:19 evidence for fundamental change in any
7:23 These are old force structures, old
7:25 force designs. Now when we turn to
7:29 we're seeing evidence for some new force
7:30 designs. They're now talking about
7:35 composed of different kinds of forces.
7:37 Remember, they've got an estimated 15 to
7:39 18 divisions of pure infantry that guard
7:43 their borders and they have borders that
7:45 are thousands of miles long, so that
7:47 makes sense. But they have no military
7:49 capability. So if you take that out of
7:53 look at the rest of it. You do have now
7:54 submarines, nuclear submarines that are
7:57 armed ostensibly with nuclear weapons.
8:00 And I think the Chinese are developing
8:02 rapidly in that area, but I think the
8:04 most important things that we saw
8:06 were once again in what we would call
8:10 And China's emphasis and military
8:12 development and force design almost from
8:14 the beginning has been
8:18 capabilities that will stop us, the
8:21 United States Navy principally and Air
8:24 from intervening in China. In other
8:26 words, this is what we refer to as
8:29 anti-interventionist capabilities or
8:32 area denial capabilities,
8:36 in the event that we wanted to penetrate
8:38 Chinese airspace, denial to us in the
8:41 event that we wanted to assemble a task
8:44 off the shores of China and try to
8:47 These are the things that we saw.
8:49 Otherwise, we saw lots of properly
8:53 good-looking young men and women
8:55 who miraculously marched in step, which
8:58 is more than I can say for the US Army
9:01 based upon their last parade on the 14th
9:04 So I would [clears throat] I would say
9:05 we are a glimpse of the past.
9:08 What you saw in Beijing is a glimpse of
9:13 First that's concerning, but second,
9:15 how's that possible in China spending so
9:16 much less reportedly, obviously we don't
9:18 know the exact figures
9:20 on their military development? Is that
9:21 are you saying the the US Army is just
9:24 or am I misunderstanding you because
9:26 you're saying the US Army hasn't
9:27 developed anything new but still far
9:29 ahead of China, which doesn't have a lot
9:32 they've never they haven't been tested
9:34 really during times of war. So that's an
9:36 advantage that the US have because
9:37 they're over testing their equipment to
9:40 >> Well, if you go back to 1910, 1911,
9:46 everyone in the Western world was
9:48 convinced that the British and French
9:50 forces, particularly their armies,
9:52 were vastly superior to the Germans
9:54 because they had all this wonderful
9:56 military experience,
9:58 all of which turned out to be completely
9:59 irrelevant in the war with Germany.
10:02 And the German forces during the First
10:03 World War, I would argue even in the
10:05 Second, were always superior to the
10:06 Western forces they confronted
10:09 and to the Eastern forces.
10:11 Uh particularly in World War I, if you
10:13 go back and look at the statistics for
10:14 every German casualty, there were at
10:17 least two to three casualties in the
10:18 French and British armies, even though
10:21 the French and British armies
10:22 outnumbered them. I guess what I'm
10:25 we tend to overrate
10:27 recent experience against weak opponents
10:31 as evidence for superiority. That tells
10:34 you absolutely nothing. Secondly,
10:37 you got to look at the way forces are
10:39 organized and how they're equipped.
10:42 If we look at the rocket artillery, the
10:44 capabilities that exist in both the
10:45 Russian and Chinese forces, they vastly
10:48 outstrip us. We have nothing to compare
10:52 Uh I was looking at a very recent strike
10:55 by the Russians in Ukraine
10:57 on what was a very sensitive target
10:59 because it it contained all of the
11:03 drone operators and all of the strategic
11:06 direction being imparted to Ukrainian
11:08 drones in in a part of Ukraine.
11:12 The Russians tracked it, they identified
11:14 it, they caught all of the electronic
11:15 signals, and then they used something
11:17 that they called a flamethrower.
11:19 The flamethrower is is not really a
11:21 flamethrower. It's another version of
11:22 rocket artillery using
11:25 uh thermobaric warheads. Thermobaric
11:28 warheads means fuel air gas explosive.
11:32 And in the space of a few minutes from
11:34 various locations, several of these
11:37 flamethrower systems
11:41 the site and it was erased effectively
11:44 We don't have those systems in the US
11:48 Not even not even close.
11:50 And our whole air and missile defense
11:52 network is very weak.
11:54 Have to remember that for the last 50
11:56 years, we've relied
11:57 almost, I would say almost exclusively
12:00 on the United States Air Force to
12:01 provide air and missile defense for the
12:03 forces on the ground.
12:05 And that's because we did not encounter
12:07 enemy air forces that were very capable.
12:09 I mean the last time we had really to
12:11 fight capable air forces was probably
12:14 during the Korean war
12:15 when Russian pilots through flew MiG
12:18 aircraft against us.
12:20 Prior to that, it was of course the
12:21 Germans and the Germans had very good
12:23 air defenses for the time.
12:25 That's changed now.
12:27 In other words, technology has advanced
12:29 and in both the Russian and Chinese
12:31 forces, I think you're going to see that
12:32 in Iran as well during the next round of
12:35 war between Israel and Iran. I think
12:37 you're going to see much better
12:38 integrated air defenses there as a
12:40 result of Russian assistance and
12:42 technological advice.
12:44 The point is we're behind in those
12:46 areas. NATO announced just I think it
12:48 was about six or eight years six or
12:51 that with all of the air defense
12:53 capability they have, they could protect
12:54 perhaps 5% of NATO territory.
13:00 How can you talk about going to war and
13:02 you can only protect 5% of the territory
13:05 that you're supposed to be defending?
13:07 I mean we we are woefully behind in a
13:09 number of really key areas.
13:12 We're not even talking about standards
13:14 training, leadership, all of these
13:17 >> Well, as a citizen of a country that's
13:19 allied to to you guys to the US,
13:21 Australia that's very close to China,
13:23 that's not the most reassuring thing to
13:24 hear. Um you're talking about you know
13:26 went back to Russian capabilities. Can
13:28 you tell me more about the Oreshnik um
13:33 missile? It's got the advanced
13:35 maneuvering capabilities which makes it
13:36 very difficult for NATO to intercept.
13:38 How concerning is that warhead?
13:40 >> Well, I I think it's a
13:42 a very powerful weapon that could have a
13:44 devastating impact in any war.
13:49 deploys multiple warheads accurately
13:51 against a large set of targets. It's
13:54 It moves at a speed that we cannot
13:56 capture and and then ultimately target
13:58 effectively. And as you point out, all
14:01 of this could be guided. I mean one of
14:03 the challenges for us, we've been
14:04 working on hypersonic missiles as well
14:07 is maneuvering a hypersonic missile in
14:10 flight. Extremely difficult.
14:12 They seem to have broken the code on
14:15 So I mean say concerning, I'd be very
14:17 damn worried right now. I wouldn't want
14:18 to go to war given the disparity and
14:21 capability in in rocketry and missile
14:24 technology between ourselves, the
14:26 Russians, and the Chinese.
14:28 >> Yeah, I remember the day that they
14:30 deployed it in Denipro.
14:31 And it was a pretty uneasy day for
14:33 anyone that was watching.
14:35 you also referenced what's happening
14:37 between Israel and Iran. And I've been
14:38 covering this extensively since the
14:40 Qatar strike. First, we haven't spoken
14:42 since the Qatar strike. What was your
14:43 initial reaction? That was a pretty For
14:44 me, that day was more shocking than when
14:46 the Iran war broke out cuz that's a
14:48 a US ally. I know it's not a new war
14:50 being struck, but everyone expected
14:52 Israel and Iran to eventually
14:54 or to to eventually potentially get into
14:56 a war, but no one really expected At
14:58 least not me expected Qatar to be
14:59 struck, a US ally with the biggest US
15:02 foreign base to be struck by Israel.
15:05 >> Well, when this happened, I was a little
15:07 surprised initially, and I asked the
15:09 question repeatedly of the experts that
15:13 how could this happen?
15:16 Was Qatar fooled? Were they asleep at
15:20 How did this occur? And ultimately, I
15:23 by people who had worked in the region.
15:26 These are These are Americans who've
15:27 been intimately involved in air and
15:30 missile defense technology in the
15:31 Emirates in the Persian Gulf.
15:33 And what they told me was that Qatar
15:36 ultimately was aware that the Israelis
15:39 because the quality of their air
15:40 defenses and their radars and missiles
15:43 are such that the Israelis could not
15:44 have done that unless there was some
15:46 sort of agreement in advance that they
15:49 would not be attacked.
15:51 In other words, Qatar was in on it. Now,
15:53 of course, you have as soon as the event
15:55 is over, you have all the
15:57 representatives of Qatar making all the
15:59 usual speeches condemning, you know,
16:02 this event and condemning the Israelis
16:04 and saying this is terrible and awful
16:06 and on and on and on.
16:08 But Qatar hasn't changed any of its
16:11 And as a result, I think probably the
16:13 Israelis had a behind-the-scenes deal
16:16 could well have been brokered by us.
16:18 The other is that initially we tried to
16:21 we knew nothing about it. Then
16:23 subsequently Israeli
16:26 members of the government admitted, no,
16:28 the US was informed. Of course we were
16:30 >> Yeah, that makes exactly that makes no
16:31 >> And now we know that Royal Air Force
16:35 provided the refueling capacity in the
16:37 air. So the British were involved.
16:42 yeah, I think it's now that's these are
16:44 the technical dimensions of the whole
16:45 business. As far as the attack is
16:49 I think everyone that might want to
16:51 negotiate with Israel or us is probably
16:54 going to have second thoughts in the
16:55 future because there's no evidence of
16:58 any good faith whatsoever.
17:00 Look what happened when the attack on
17:02 Iran had begun. We were supposedly
17:05 holding talks with the Iranians.
17:08 And it we acted as though, well, we knew
17:10 nothing about this. I don't think that's
17:13 So why would why would people in the
17:15 future regard us as a credible
17:18 negotiating partner? I don't think they
17:20 >> Why the discrepancy? That's what
17:22 perplexes me. Why the discrepancy
17:23 between what we're seeing in the Middle
17:26 with the points you've made that you
17:27 know, you know, what Iran was even
17:29 Hezbollah was was lured into that
17:31 meeting where they killed Nasrallah and
17:34 So all these strikes were surprise
17:36 strikes very successful decapitation
17:37 strikes. I think you might challenge how
17:39 successful they are.
17:40 But they include some sort of bad faith,
17:42 one could make that argument.
17:46 is opposite happening in Russia. You
17:47 know, Trump is opening the red carpet
17:49 for Putin meeting him in Alaska and
17:51 genuinely seeking peace.
17:53 Why do you think that we are seeing
17:54 those two different attempts unless you
17:56 disagree with what I just said?
17:57 >> Well, if he were genuinely seeking
17:59 peace, we would have begun serious talks
18:02 and we would be well on our way to some
18:05 So I don't think that was ever serious
18:09 First you you got to understand
18:10 something. This this meeting was
18:12 something we sought. Wittkopf was
18:14 suddenly put on a plane, shipped to
18:16 Moscow. Please, please, please have a
18:20 And the Russians said, okay, you know,
18:22 because they they didn't want to be in
18:23 the position of rejecting a meeting.
18:26 But historically, meetings between heads
18:30 [clears throat] are preceded
18:31 by multiple meetings where the
18:33 foundations for some sort of agreement
18:38 And the people that come into the final
18:40 meeting come in with the final agreement
18:42 in some form. They may hand hammer out
18:45 minor details. But my point is that when
18:48 you go into these kinds of meetings, you
18:50 have studied the problem for a long
18:53 You have studied your opponents'
18:56 and you have your own proposals. And
18:58 then you go back and forth until you
19:00 work out an agreement.
19:01 None of that happened.
19:03 So it was unserious.
19:05 And that's effectively what Vladimir
19:07 Putin said. He he said it's very good to
19:10 meet. We're glad we did that. These
19:11 meetings are always helpful.
19:15 nothing emerged from it.
19:17 And there was still a failure to listen
19:19 carefully or pay real attention to what
19:21 the what the Russians had proposed.
19:24 This goes all the way back to December
19:28 when they put together
19:29 complete proposals for a new security
19:31 architecture in Europe,
19:33 a set of proposals that they asked us to
19:37 We never examined them. We refused to
19:40 We hadn't examined anything in detail
19:42 before that meeting.
19:44 And I think President Trump wanted to do
19:46 three or four things.
19:48 First, he wanted good optics.
19:51 This is the reality TV star. This is
19:54 someone who understands the impact of
19:56 images. He knows how to manipulate
19:58 public opinion through images. So he
20:01 sets this up at Elmendorf Air Air Force
20:03 Base in Alaska, and he parks on either
20:06 side of the red carpet all of these
20:08 advanced combat aircraft, F-22s, F-35s,
20:12 whatever they were.
20:13 And then as he's greeting warmly Mr.
20:17 across the sky flies a B-2 bomber with X
20:23 And Trump is conveying the impression
20:26 that we are an all-powerful superpower.
20:29 And that he's now deigning to meet with
20:32 the president of Russia in order to seek
20:35 peace. They go into a meeting. It's over
20:41 Why did it end so quickly?
20:43 Because Trump and his team had nothing
20:47 Trump thought that he was going to
20:48 overrule Vladimir Putin with his image,
20:52 with his glittering personality, the
20:54 force and power of Trump and the Trump
20:57 myth, and that something good would come
21:00 out of this, that he could get the
21:01 Russians to back down from their
21:03 positions and agree to a ceasefire.
21:07 There was no chance of that.
21:09 >> the What's the disagreement? Because I
21:11 think both leaders do want peace, but
21:12 they just want it on different terms.
21:15 >> debating what those terms are, but
21:17 >> Well, the terms on the Russian side are
21:19 very clear. They've not They have not
21:21 been altered in any way.
21:23 We have never addressed those terms.
21:27 We keep saying we have to have a
21:28 ceasefire. We have to have a ceasefire.
21:30 Everybody's lost sight of the fact that
21:32 you had a ceasefire in 1918
21:35 after you had a long period of
21:36 negotiations and an agreement was
21:38 reached. Then you got a ceasefire.
21:41 You don't get a ceasefire in the middle
21:44 when there is no agreement to stop
21:46 fighting. There's only an agreement for
21:48 a temporary ceasefire. And the Russians
21:50 have repeated over and over and over
21:53 again and and my judgment, justifiably,
21:56 we want an agreement.
21:58 We get an agreement and we have
21:59 guarantees that people will follow
22:01 through on what they say,
22:03 then we'll have a ceasefire.
22:05 And they have stipulated what's
22:08 We have not addressed any of those
22:11 We keep arguing for a ceasefire. When
22:13 every When we stop shooting, then we can
22:15 talk. No, it doesn't work that way. It
22:20 >> There's two other You know, it's got a
22:22 mixed messages over the last few days.
22:24 You've got the improvements between the
22:26 US Belarusian relations.
22:29 And Lukashenko I think released some
22:30 political prisoners.
22:32 And Trump said after calling Lukashenko
22:36 a highly respected leader, he said that
22:37 they're looking at I think reopening the
22:39 embassy or something along those lines.
22:40 Yes, reopening the embassy.
22:42 But on the other hand, you've got the
22:45 Trump statement that his patience in an
22:47 interview I think yesterday said his
22:49 patience is running out with President
22:52 What do you make of these two
22:53 statements? The way I see it is that
22:55 Trump seeks peace. He wants a Nobel
22:57 Peace Prize. He wants to be the peace
23:00 But Putin is has as you said and I think
23:03 we disagree on how much upper hand he
23:04 has, but we both agree he has the upper
23:05 hand on the ground. So Putin has the
23:07 upper hand and Putin has a stronger
23:09 negotiating position that and that's
23:11 making it difficult for Trump to find
23:14 some sort of middle ground.
23:16 Do you agree with that analysis or you
23:17 have a different take on these two mixed
23:18 messages? The running out of patience,
23:21 peace with Belarus.
23:23 >> Depends on which audience he wants to
23:25 address at at any given point in time.
23:28 He has a tendency to be somewhat
23:32 when he approaches foreign policy.
23:34 I mean, he'll say one thing one day and
23:36 another two days later and people are
23:37 trying to figure out which one is true.
23:40 Which direction do I go in?
23:43 I think we're past the point of dealing
23:47 I have personally never doubted
23:49 President Trump's intention to seek a
23:51 peaceful solution in Ukraine. I don't
23:53 think there's any doubt about that.
23:55 But intentions don't count for much.
23:58 That's the first thing. You Actions are
24:01 This man Zelenskyy has treated Trump in
24:05 my judgment with contempt
24:08 and taken positions that President Trump
24:11 on his best day could never support.
24:13 And President Trump for reasons that are
24:15 unclear to me has tolerated it. I don't
24:19 If you're really interested in peace and
24:21 great powers normally are interested in
24:23 peace because they understand what a
24:25 great power war means, usually tell a
24:27 small country under a small leader like
24:31 Mr. Zelensky to shut up, sit in the
24:33 corner, and we'll tell you what the
24:35 outcome looks like.
24:37 That's what you do if you want peace.
24:39 President Trump has the power as the
24:41 president of the United States and the
24:43 leader of NATO to do exactly that. Or,
24:46 Mario, maybe he doesn't.
24:49 Maybe he doesn't have that power.
24:51 Maybe he doesn't have sufficient backing
24:54 Maybe he no longer controls NATO. NATO
24:58 itself is no longer controlled.
25:00 Uh, the globalist leaders in the West
25:02 are now facing internal revolution at
25:05 They can't possibly back down from the
25:07 positions they've taken on Russia
25:09 without complete loss of credibility.
25:12 If you're Macron or if you're Mertz, uh,
25:16 or Donald Tusk in Poland, how do you
25:18 turn around and say, well, I'm sorry,
25:21 we really didn't tell you the truth.
25:23 Russia doesn't want to conquer Europe.
25:25 Russia isn't interested in going to war.
25:28 Uh, we've been pushing this agenda for
25:30 reasons that have nothing to do with our
25:31 national interests, but we want to stay
25:33 in power because that's effectively what
25:35 they're saying. Starmer's in the same
25:37 boat. It's ridiculous.
25:40 Uh, President Trump doesn't have to go
25:41 that far. He's remote from it. But let's
25:44 go back to something else that you
25:45 brought up, which is very, very
25:47 important. You say, well, Putin has the
25:50 upper hand, at least on the ground.
25:52 That's what counts, Mario. The rest of
25:56 Are we willing to fight in eastern
25:58 Ukraine? Quick, tell me.
26:02 >> boots on the ground. No boots on the
26:04 ground, that's for sure.
26:05 >> We're not going to put any troops on the
26:06 ground. Absolutely not. We may have
26:09 100,000 troops sitting around in Poland
26:11 and Lithuania and Romania. What they're
26:16 I have no idea. They don't have any
26:18 military mission. They're not ready to
26:20 fight anybody. They're the same old
26:22 force that we've had for 30 years.
26:24 They're not equipped for a a new and
26:27 Now, we do have headquarters on the
26:29 ground in Europe, one in Germany, from
26:31 which we've been directing operations in
26:33 Ukraine, because the war in Europe is
26:36 We've just expended a lot of Ukrainian
26:38 life in the process.
26:40 But the point is we're not going to
26:41 fight on the ground. Are the Europeans
26:43 going to fight on the ground?
26:45 We've just had the president of Poland,
26:47 Duda, the new president say absolutely
26:50 not. No Polish troops will go into
26:55 what are we going to do?
26:57 >> Economic pressure? See like the last the
26:59 last card the last card that the West
27:01 has, obviously there's no support for
27:03 boots on the ground, I think we all
27:04 agree, but the last card is economic
27:05 pressure, you know. It's debatable how
27:07 well it's working. Doesn't seem to be
27:08 working too well. Now he's trying
27:10 through India, but with India leaning
27:12 more towards China and Russia, it
27:13 doesn't look like this is working
27:18 this is a very important point and
27:20 you're making you're making the correct
27:21 assessment. It doesn't work.
27:23 What we're seeing happen in the world is
27:26 between the Western financial system
27:29 that has dominated the world certainly
27:33 We did have this massive change
27:35 undertaken under Nixon in '73 with
27:37 abandoning the gold standard.
27:39 But the bottom line is that we in the
27:41 West, we're talking about basically
27:42 London and and New York City and
27:44 Washington, we've controlled
27:48 trade, financial operations around the
27:52 world non-stop. That's ending.
27:55 And so the world is splitting and you
27:57 have on this side now something we call
28:00 And BRICS miraculously in the last few
28:03 years has developed parallel
28:07 They have the Swift equivalent that is
28:09 actually faster, more convenient and
28:11 operates better than our own Swift
28:13 system. In the meantime, we are losing
28:16 ground because major powers in Asia,
28:19 major powers in South America,
28:22 major powers in Africa are moving away
28:24 from us and moving towards BRICS. So
28:27 we're looking at a split
28:29 in the global financial system.
28:31 If you take China, take India, and
28:35 Russia. Now start adding Brazil and
28:38 South Africa and increasingly I would
28:40 argue much of Africa period.
28:42 I think we're going to see the Saudis
28:44 and others in the Middle East eventually
28:46 migrate in the same direction. They're
28:48 migrating away from us and they're
28:50 migrating in the direction of BRICS.
28:52 This is a this is an event
28:55 that is almost well it probably is as
29:00 Now people say what do you mean 1492?
29:02 Well 1492 was the beginning of the end
29:06 of Ottoman power in the Middle East
29:08 because trade shifted. Gold, silver,
29:12 wealth, power shifted away from the
29:15 Middle East and the Middle East was no
29:17 longer capable of transporting and doing
29:20 business between China, India, and the
29:22 West. And the West now had a huge source
29:26 of gold and income that came out of the
29:29 This promoted a complete split and we
29:32 saw the Western world take off. It took
29:35 off for many reasons, but now in the
29:37 Western world with all of that wealth
29:39 there was a huge demand for science and
29:41 technology and commerce.
29:43 We're seeing something similar to that
29:47 Only it's not because we discovered a
29:48 new civilization or a new country
29:50 halfway around the world. It's not
29:52 because we got to Mars and landed there
29:54 and found something new.
29:56 It's because China, India, most of Asia,
30:00 most of Africa, and increasingly large
30:02 portions of South America are all moving
30:04 away from us into a new gold-backed
30:07 system of currencies.
30:10 And we and our West Europeans, maybe
30:12 some East Europeans, but certainly West
30:14 Europeans are standing around wondering
30:17 where are we headed?
30:18 And where is Australia going to go? Or
30:21 New Zealand? Where do they migrate? Are
30:23 they going to sit with us or are they
30:25 going to migrate in in a different
30:28 I I think all of these things have to be
30:31 against the backdrop of everything we're
30:33 discussing. This isn't just about what's
30:35 going to happen in Ukraine. The war in
30:37 Ukraine is effectively over.
30:39 The Russians have won. They will
30:41 determine what happens in in eastern and
30:43 western Ukraine. That's coming.
30:46 And eventually the people that live on
30:47 that border, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia,
30:50 Slovakia, Hungary and Romania and
30:53 Moldova, they're all going to have to do
30:55 business with the Russians whether they
30:57 Hungary knows that, Slovakia knows that,
31:00 Romania knows that, but they were
31:01 cheated out of their electoral victory
31:04 by a globalist. But the globalists are
31:06 on the run. They're in retreat. They're
31:09 going to lose power.
31:10 It'll be interesting to see what happens
31:13 Now I don't I can't predict what happens
31:15 with us, those who are not in BRICS and
31:18 I don't know what we'll do. I don't
31:20 think we can go to go to a gold-backed
31:22 system. I'm not sure that we have enough
31:25 Maybe we're talking about a
31:26 digitization, digital currency. I have
31:29 no idea. But what I'm saying is this
31:32 is a function of everything happening
31:35 not only in Ukraine, but also in the
31:38 And if you notice something else,
31:40 Mr. Trump has made it increasingly clear
31:43 that he is largely disinterested in
31:45 going to war with China.
31:49 That's very important. Remember Remember
31:51 we had this pivot to China. We have to
31:57 >> And what was Biden's statement? Would
31:58 you Would you Would you defend Taiwan if
32:00 China invades Taiwan? The answer was
32:01 direct yes in that interview.
32:05 >> under Biden under Biden administration
32:07 that seems now it's less hawkish towards
32:09 >> Yeah. Oh, I I think
32:11 Donald Trump wants nothing to do with a
32:14 If anything, I think right now in the
32:16 White House, he and his
32:18 little band of advisors are trying to
32:20 figure out how do we get out from
32:22 underneath this terrible tariff war.
32:25 You know, this tariff war has done
32:26 nothing but destruction.
32:28 You know, it it doesn't
32:30 I I feel like we're pushing
32:32 Let me know what you think of this. It
32:33 It seems that the US is doing this to
32:35 itself. It's pushed Russia and India to
32:38 China by, you know, through the Ukraine
32:40 war and by NATO's expansion. It pushed
32:43 um it potentially is going to push Arab
32:45 countries towards China. They're all
32:46 going to be very upset what's happening
32:47 in Gaza and now they're striking Qatar.
32:49 They're not going to be too happy. All
32:50 the Gulf countries are uniting, you
32:51 know, Saudi, the UAE, which are rivals
32:54 to Qatar um are now standing by Qatar's
32:57 side. And with the tariff war, it's
33:01 historically US allies
33:03 to kind of seek alternatives. Um
33:06 it looks like it's a it's a
33:07 self-inflicting wound. Maybe we can
33:09 reverse revert course and say maybe as
33:11 in us, you know, the US and and allies,
33:13 maybe we can revert course and kind of
33:15 fix fix a lot of those issues.
33:17 Ukraine war ends and maybe normalize
33:19 relations with India again, sort out all
33:21 the tariff issues, normalize relations
33:23 with Russia. There's hope there.
33:25 Hopefully the war in Gaza ends soon.
33:26 Doesn't look too good there. And maybe
33:28 things normalize in the Middle East, but
33:30 it just keeps getting worse and worse.
33:32 >> Yeah, I I think it's going to get a
33:35 over the next few months because we have
33:39 in the United States that is just as
33:42 fragile as the financial system in Great
33:45 and the financial system in France and
33:47 in Germany. We're we're all bound up
33:49 together in this catastrophe. They're
33:52 ahead of us. In other words, they're
33:53 preceding us on the path down to hell.
33:56 But we'll get there.
33:58 And it's only when you are finally in
33:59 hell and you look around and say, gee,
34:02 didn't want to get here. Now I want to
34:04 get out. That's when things will change.
34:06 Now things will change faster once that
34:09 decision is made in Europe because they
34:11 have parliamentary systems.
34:14 And they can toss governments out and
34:16 bring new governments in and get new
34:18 leadership almost overnight.
34:20 We're not organized that way.
34:23 So it's going to be much harder here in
34:26 >> make What do you make of the name change
34:28 as well from the Department of Defense
34:30 renaming it back to the Department of
34:31 War? Optics, anything meant behind it?
34:36 >> Uh I can't conceive of anything less
34:41 and less important than this.
34:43 Now, let me [clears throat] back up a
34:44 minute and explain something I know this
34:47 is important to President Trump, and I
34:49 happen to agree with him in this sense.
34:51 He's been very frustrated
34:53 with an American military establishment
34:55 that has focused on all of this
34:57 interventionism and nation building.
35:00 And it became sort of painfully
35:02 politically correct. I mean, I can go
35:04 back 50 years to the decision to
35:09 into the service academies and then
35:10 bringing more and more women into the
35:13 has has absolutely done nothing for our
35:16 readiness or war fighting capability at
35:19 Anybody that's remotely honest will tell
35:21 you the truth. That's been very very
35:25 And if you look at other nations that
35:26 are maintaining effective armed forces,
35:28 a good example of course are the
35:30 They do not integrate women into those
35:32 formations. They know
35:34 the risks involved. It makes no sense.
35:38 And so [clears throat]
35:39 you have a problem where
35:41 the the young men that we used to set
35:43 out to attract into the military,
35:46 they're not showing up
35:49 because you turn to an 18 19 20 year old
35:51 man who's in reasonably good physical
35:53 shape who wants to challenge a military
35:56 service, who wants to prove himself as a
35:58 man as in his youth.
36:00 And he's told, well, you're who are you?
36:06 100 lb female is 5 ft 4 is just as good
36:11 Well, if she's just as good as I am,
36:13 then you don't need me.
36:15 So you're you know, the whole fabric
36:18 of military service has been dangerously
36:23 President Trump understands that.
36:25 He's trying to get this war fighting
36:27 focus back into people's minds.
36:30 But changing a name does nothing.
36:34 I I understand what he's thinking.
36:36 But you know, I could turn around and
36:37 say, well, Mario, from now on, your name
36:43 You're still Mario, right? It's not
36:45 going to change anything.
36:46 >> Doesn't make me a German expert.
36:48 >> Yeah, whatever. But, you know, it's
36:50 silly. It's silly in that sense, but I
36:54 what lies beneath his his reasoning.
36:57 And he's frustrated with that. That's
36:58 why he's very frustrated with the senior
37:01 >> And last topic I want to ask you about
37:03 something I don't know much about at
37:04 all. I haven't had time to look into it,
37:05 and that's the developments in
37:06 Venezuela. I think you hinted at it at
37:07 the beginning when you said striking an
37:09 unarmed unarmed boat. The warship was
37:11 moved off the coast. It looks like
37:13 military posturing for me. I just cannot
37:15 fathom anything happening there. Um, but
37:17 then that boat got struck. I was pretty
37:20 What you know, what do you make of these
37:22 developments and should we be concerned?
37:25 >> Again, President Trump is very
37:29 And that's what you saw at Elmendorf Air
37:32 Force Base in Alaska.
37:34 It was an impulse meeting.
37:36 Let's hold this meeting. We'll go in
37:38 there. We'll talk to them. And I know
37:40 Putin. I get along with him. We could
37:45 Forget it. Had no chance of success.
37:48 So now, well, I'm fed up with Venezuela.
37:50 He listens to Secretary Rubio, and Rubio
37:53 has been trying to invade Venezuela for
37:56 He says, all right, Rubio, we'll go
37:58 teach these people a lesson. Let them
38:00 know what we can do.
38:02 Okay. How's that work? Venezuela
38:06 The population lines up behind Maduro.
38:10 Is that because they love Maduro? Not
38:12 necessarily. But these people have a
38:14 country. They're proud of their country.
38:16 >> same with Iran. Same with Iran when
38:18 Israel struck them.
38:20 So the second question is the legitimate
38:23 one that you raised is what are you
38:24 going to do with the what is it? 2,500
38:26 Marines and a few thousand sailors?
38:29 Uh, are you going to nuke these people?
38:31 That's absurd. So what's your plan?
38:34 Uh, and then we have supposedly groups
38:36 of mercenaries organized by the CIA,
38:40 potentially in Colombia or maybe in
38:42 Guyana. I don't know. And this was all
38:44 the idea from years ago, we'll have a
38:46 regime change so that we can put
38:48 somebody in who'll be our puppet.
38:51 I don't see that working.
38:52 So the real question is what do we want
38:54 to do and if you want access
38:57 to oil and gas, let me explain how you
39:00 get that in Latin America in a place
39:01 like Venezuela. First of all, the
39:03 Chinese have already offered to come in
39:05 there and try to rebuild and refit all
39:08 of the oil and gas infrastructure.
39:10 Mario, we have the best the best energy
39:15 experts in the world. We have the finest
39:17 oil and gas engineers and technicians
39:21 We have a few thousand available right
39:24 now that we could send down to
39:26 Venezuela, get Venezuela up and running
39:31 And that's really what Venezuela needs
39:33 because their economy is in terrible
39:36 condition. The population is suffering.
39:39 That needs to improve.
39:41 So what do you do if that's what you
39:42 want? You want access to the oil and we
39:44 think they may have the largest oil
39:46 reserves in the world. The problem is
39:49 And we are experts at deep oil drilling
39:55 Well, instead of threatening everybody
39:57 and pouring buckets of filth and abuse
39:59 all over Maduro because you don't like
40:02 you have a private meeting with Maduro
40:03 and you say, look, we've had our
40:05 differences in the past.
40:06 We'd really like to be your best
40:10 And in order to be your best customer,
40:12 we're willing to commit these assets to
40:15 repair all of this. And oh, by the way,
40:17 we know that there are a few generals in
40:20 the Venezuelan army who been skimming
40:23 cash off the top of the drug trade. Most
40:26 of the drugs come out of Colombia. They
40:28 move through Venezuela, some of them,
40:30 and then out of Venezuela headed
40:35 We'd like to stop that and we can help
40:37 you with these generals because here's
40:42 Maduro doesn't command and control the
40:44 generals in the Venezuelan army
40:46 to to extent that he needs to.
40:48 He has about the same level of influence
40:51 over the Venezuelan army as the
40:52 president of Mexico has over the Mexican
40:56 These countries are not like western
41:00 You go in there and you offer something
41:03 and you negotiate with people and stop
41:06 talking about changing the government.
41:08 Stop talking about changing the society.
41:12 We need to get out of this business once
41:14 and for all. How many times do we have
41:17 How many times have we failed since
41:20 Everywhere we've gone to install
41:22 somebody else and create a new
41:24 government only to discover the whole
41:28 But for some reason this mentality
41:30 inside Washington persists.
41:32 And unfortunately since we're not
41:34 willing to talk to these people
41:36 reasonably, rationally along the lines
41:38 that I just described, we bring out the
41:41 hammer. We show everybody the hammer and
41:43 say we'll hammer you unless you do what
41:49 how large is Venezuela? It's huge.
41:52 What are you going to do? [laughter]
41:54 It doesn't it's just silly.
41:57 >> Regime change is is you know I think we
41:59 should learn our lesson by now. It just
42:02 Um Colonel, absolute pleasure to speak
42:04 to you and and you know before ending
42:05 the interview you know it's it's hard
42:09 Vice President JD Vance said in Europe
42:11 the your your enemies within not Russia
42:13 if you remember that statement that
42:14 famous speech um and I want to say the
42:16 same thing not the same thing now to the
42:18 US but something to consider at least
42:20 the polarization we're seeing since the
42:21 assassination of Charlie Kirk.
42:24 Um what was your reaction when you first
42:25 saw it and any thoughts on it? Not sure
42:27 how closely you're following it.
42:29 >> Well I you know I I've talked to Charlie
42:31 Kirk in some interviews and he's a very
42:35 He's certainly not a threatening
42:39 a lovely wife and nice children.
42:42 Now I do know that he has accepted
42:44 millions of dollars in in support from
42:47 wealthy Jewish donors.
42:49 And over the last 30 days or so, he
42:52 apparently has talked about abandoning
42:55 the positions that he's held on Israel
42:59 And that may have had something to do
43:01 with it, but I don't know how you would
43:03 possibly make that connection.
43:05 In other words, how do you prove that?
43:09 I I am looking at this young man that
43:12 they found that they're accusing of
43:14 having executed this.
43:16 The whole thing looks a lot like Butler,
43:19 What happened there with President
43:21 Trump? And the patsy on the roof
43:24 that was instantly killed, whose body
43:26 then was cremated, and we've never found
43:29 anyone who was responsible for the
43:31 killing or the attempted
43:34 I I'm very skeptical. I think
43:37 in our country, institutions which we
43:40 have historically revered, like the FBI
43:44 in the Justice Department, are now
43:46 institutions that are no longer credible
43:49 in the minds of many Americans.
43:51 So I don't have an answer as to why.
43:54 I don't think that this is evidence for
43:58 widespread readiness to go to civil war.
44:00 I think you've got a a larger problem
44:03 massive criminality. I mean, we've had
44:06 young women over the last several days
44:08 chopped into meat, murdered for no
44:10 apparent reason by people who had
44:13 already been arrested multiple times and
44:18 [clears throat] I I'm I don't want to
44:19 mix apples and orange juice, but I'm
44:22 we just don't know what was behind this
44:27 >> Yeah. Now hopefully get the answers. I I
44:29 >> He was a very decent, honorable person
44:31 as far as I can tell.