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Kulikov on Abu Dhabi: Europe sidelined, Ukraine 'devouring' money
«Украина жрёт, как не в себя»: Куликов об Абу-Даби, Трампе и Европе — полная версия
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Pushes the agenda · agenda: US-Russia talks decide Ukraine's fate
Belief the Pravda network pushes: Russia and the United States should negotiate Ukraine's future without Europe, while Ukraine and the West block peace and threaten Russia.
In a pro-Kremlin talk show, Kulikov says Russia and the US will settle security and Ukraine in Abu Dhabi while hysterical Europeans are shut out, and calls Ukraine a 'Nazi' regime that swallows European money.
The video says · at 11:22 · quote checked against the transcript
“It is clear that they will not participate in the decision-making process or, in fact, in the negotiations themselves, as I understand it.”
It is clear that they will not participate in the decision-making process or, in fact, in the negotiations themselves, as I understand it.
The video presents Europe as a hysterical outsider with no place in Russia-US talks on Ukraine, endorses Russia's refusal to allow Western troops, and casts Ukraine and Europe as obstacles and threats. It also uses the 'Ukraine devours money' and 'Nazi regime' framings, so it distorts events in the agenda's direction rather than merely reporting them.
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Transcript (en, 1746 lines)
0:03 Hello, this is Sovet Py. Let’s go.
0:06 >> These are, of course, the negotiations
0:09 in Abu Dhabi that begin tomorrow. The
0:12 Russian Federation has a solid
0:15 delegation. Uh.
0:18 Two representatives from the Foreign
0:20 Ministry, two from the Ministry of
0:22 Defense, including the head of the
0:25 General Staff’s main directorate.
0:30 Vladimir Rostislavovich Medinsky, a man
0:33 with, so to speak, experience in all
0:36 these negotiations, who, by his very
0:39 calmness and reasoning on fundamental,
0:42 core topics, drives people mad.
0:47 Well, at least all kinds of public
0:49 audiences in Ukraine, and not just in
0:52 Ukraine; let’s recall that Europe, too,
0:55 was enraged by the position Medinsky
0:58 presented.
0:59 Well, let’s see, of course, what will
1:02 happen.
1:04 The officially announced subject is
1:07 security and stability guarantees after
1:11 the end of hostilities.
1:15 Yes, Rubio even stated overnight that
1:17 this is the main security theme.
1:19 Though he didn’t specify whose security
1:21 , but
1:22 >> he said that the main theme is
1:25 >> you know, there were many developments
1:28 at the end of the week, Kushner came out
1:31 with various statements which, in my
1:33 view, were internally contradictory on
1:36 many points.
1:38 But what is clear, and what, by the way
1:41 ,
1:43 Kushner’s statements in particular
1:46 testify to. And Trump also said that the
1:50 security of the entire European space—
1:54 though we would add Eurasian—is a
1:58 subject for consideration, perhaps not
2:02 yet a subject for negotiation. Europe
2:06 immediately started screeching. There.
2:09 But for us, it cannot be otherwise,
2:12 because at a certain stage we started,
2:15 back in December 2021, with our
2:17 proposals, or rather demands, that we
2:20 issued to NATO and the United States.
2:24 And back then, of course, the question
2:28 of stable, secure coexistence on the
2:31 continent became key for us.
2:36 We started with it, because Russia was
2:39 not, and is not satisfied with the
2:42 situation that had developed by the
2:46 start of the special military operation
2:49 , with NATO troops right under our nose
2:52 , and with the peremptory
2:58 peremptory approach of NATO and the West
3:00 , because NATO can expand as much as it
3:02 wants, wherever it wants.
3:04 There. And however they wish, and so on
3:07 , and so on. The list is long.
3:10 Therefore, the fact that such
3:12 manifestations have started in the West
3:15 —well, partially published, like
3:18 Kushner’s, and some high degree of
3:21 exaltation from the Europeans about this
3:24 .
3:27 It means that Russia has not removed
3:29 this issue from the agenda.
3:33 About how NATO should be, where NATO
3:35 should go, how NATO should proceed,
3:40 and how, in general, to ensure mutual
3:43 security on the European continent. It
3:46 means that this issue is firmly on the
3:50 agenda. So, uh, we will discuss it.
3:54 Well, we will probably have to discuss
3:56 all this with Europe at some point, too
3:59 But that moment will likely come when
4:01 the nonsense starts to slowly clear from
4:04 the heads of the European gentlemen.
4:08 They talk about sending troops there on
4:09 the second day after a truce, or even on
4:11 the first, within the first 24 hours, or
4:13 something like that.
4:15 Yeah.
4:16 But our Foreign Ministry, in the person
4:19 of Maria Zakharova, told them clearly
4:22 that Russia will not allow any military
4:25 intervention on the territory of Ukraine
4:28 by Western countries.
4:30 How exactly it won't allow it, we shall
4:33 see, but it definitely won't allow it.
4:36 Therefore, uh,
4:40 of course, there are quite a lot of
4:41 questions here.
4:45 But at the same time, you know, you drew
4:47 my attention to it just before we
4:50 entered the studio, that there is, of
4:53 course, a great, great confusion in
4:55 Europe, well, one could say hysteria.
4:59 Though, to be fair, they haven't been
5:01 out of a state of hysteria for the last
5:03 few years. Yeah. But there are such
5:05 peaks, yes. Yeah. And right now, they
5:08 are at a peak of hysteria again. What to
5:11 do? There’s no money.
5:13 Ukraine is devouring it like there’s no
5:15 tomorrow, well, tens of billions,
5:17 hundreds.
5:19 Some newspaper wrote here
5:25 that the European Union's debts
5:27 regarding the Ukrainian direction are
5:30 threatening to reach 200 billion.
5:34 That is actually a good thing. More
5:36 Europeans need to know about this.
5:39 They don't have enough of anything right
5:41 now, protests are everywhere. People are
5:43 going out to demonstrations. Well, those
5:45 200 billion, in principle, could have
5:48 gone to the needs of Europeans. But they
5:51 went to Ukraine for some reason, because
5:52 , you know, it’s an interesting
5:54 explanation. Well, Ukraine is, like,
5:57 protecting us. From whom? From the
5:59 Russians. Otherwise they will attack.
6:01 But you yourselves say that they won't
6:03 attack and aren't preparing to right now
6:05 . Well, if they capture Ukraine, then
6:07 they will definitely attack. But why?
6:11 Well, I don't know, but they will attack
6:13 . They're Russians, after all. Well, by
6:16 the way, today is a day of struggle.
6:20 I'll give you the exact wording now,
6:22 just a second.
6:24 International Day against Fascism,
6:28 Racism and Antisemitism is observed
6:32 annually on November 9th.
6:36 But we should also include Russophobia
6:38 there.
6:39 Well, by the way, it’s worth noting that
6:43 many countries celebrate this day, and
6:47 it has significance, but not in Ukraine
6:52 In Ukraine, this day cannot be
6:53 celebrated.
6:55 >> Well, that would be counter, it would be
6:57 like, what is it,
6:58 >> bees against honey.
7:00 >> Bees against,
7:00 >> they are built on that right now,
7:02 >> aren't they? No, well, it’s a fully
7:05 established Nazi regime there, yes.
7:11 One
7:12 >> with all the telltale signs.
7:13 >> with all the telltale signs of torture,
7:16 uh, well, camps in that sense, yes,
7:18 everything, all that,
7:20 >> I understand that inside they still
7:22 haven't calmed down from all these
7:24 consequences of what happened near Kiev
7:27 >> Well, it hasn't calmed down, yeah. The
7:29 problem is that, uh, well, the system is
7:33 still locked into forceful methods, and
7:37 we see that those who arrived at this
7:41 Borschagovka, well, they are under very
7:46 harsh pressure, including physical
7:49 threats, and so on and so forth.
7:53 Therefore, uh, this is, of course, well
7:56 , this kind of Nazi regime, like the
7:59 Bandera regime. By the way, we also, you
8:03 know, well, call it the Kiev regime.
8:06 Well, actually, Kiev is a Russian city,
8:09 generally, you understand, why we call
8:12 it the Kiev...The Bandera Nazi regime,
8:15 an organized criminal group, Zelensky's
8:18 faction. That is what it is. Kiev, as
8:22 the Kiev we knew, was created by the
8:27 royal family over many decades as the
8:32 southern capital of the Russian Empire.
8:37 We shouldn't forget about that either.
8:39 But I've digressed. So, in Ukraine,
8:42 you're saying, it's not calming down.
8:44 Well yes, it's sort of not calming down
8:45 . There is this muffled, muffled
8:48 discontent. Some statements by
8:51 individual deputies.
8:53 But since all this is still under a
8:56 regime of forceful control, it is, of
8:59 course, difficult to expect that people
9:02 will just sacrifice their lives, though
9:06 maybe such a time will come.
9:09 We'll see, we'll see. Right.
9:12 Uh, yes, by the way, the same European
9:14 press is discussing that Zelensky is
9:16 running around Europe.
9:19 What the hell, and why do they ask
9:20 questions themselves?
9:22 He's stuck in Spain right now, resolving
9:24 issues with the King of Spain, you
9:25 understand, with all due respect.
9:28 Well, what can the King of Spain decide
9:31 there, and Spain, the Spanish Prime
9:33 Minister spoke out that he stands for
9:35 the sovereignty of Spain, so that
9:37 neither the Americans, nor Israel, nor
9:40 Russia in this list, you understand, one
9:42 by one, would interfere in the internal
9:45 affairs of Spain, so that Spain would
9:47 not be governed from the outside.
9:52 Well, that's normal. But what is
9:54 Zelensky doing there? Is he helping to
9:56 govern from the outside or helping to
9:58 fight, well, against being governed from
10:00 the outside? Well, it's reaching the
10:02 point of absurdity, to the point of a
10:04 joke. Haven't heard from Macron for a
10:05 long time. Do you know how...
10:07 >> Macron is not to be heard from. His
10:08 foreign minister spoke there, I think,
10:10 if I'm not mistaken.
10:11 >> And he, he on that...Listen, did I
10:13 imagine that?
10:15 Yes, he somehow intends to take part in
10:16 the negotiations in Abu Dhabi.
10:18 He said that Europe raised its voice at
10:21 America in connection with—Yes, we will
10:24 be in Abu Dhabi, he said.
10:26 >> It is unclear in what capacity and
10:29 >> Wait, no, it was our president’s aide,
10:31 Yuri Ushakov, who said: "If you want to
10:33 be in Abu Dhabi, buy tickets.
10:36 Well, uh, fly to Abu Dhabi, be there."
10:40 But you will not take part in the
10:42 negotiations.
10:44 Well, a tough, clear Russian position.
10:47 No, well, as usual for them, this has
10:50 been the case since the Anchorage days:
10:53 as soon as there are any negotiations
10:56 where they aren't invited, they start
10:58 running around, arriving with
11:00 delegations, and then sitting on folding
11:03 chairs in some offices, supposedly being
11:06 consulted.
11:08 Well, perhaps they will be present in
11:10 some form, maybe in some meetings with
11:13 the American delegation. Well, all the
11:15 more so, of course, they will arrange
11:17 things with the Ukrainian side, and try
11:19 to get noticed in every way, I think.
11:22 It is clear that they will not
11:23 participate in the decision-making
11:25 process or, in fact, in the negotiations
11:27 themselves, as I understand it.
11:29 There. Well, we will see how it all
11:32 turns out. And also the fact that the
11:34 Ukrainian delegation came holding
11:35 mommy’s hand, yes, like, well
11:38 >> so they could be close by, so they could
11:41 >> well, it's generally clear that
11:44 regarding these announced negotiations—
11:48 maybe they were announced with a certain
11:52 delay for the very purpose of minimizing
11:56 these European antics and posturing.
12:00 There.
12:01 Because constantly, every day, there are
12:04 several leaks through the European press
12:08 , and primarily the British press,
12:10 regarding these negotiations—now we will
12:14 demand this, now that, or the American
12:17 delegation and US representatives at the
12:21 talks have supposedly taken note of the
12:24 European position, and so on.
12:28 I would also like to know what this
12:30 European position is, who is
12:31 broadcasting it, and who actually
12:32 formulated it. There. Because they all
12:35 ended up quarreling over a single phone
12:37 call.
12:39 When the Norwegians and Finns called the
12:41 President of Russia.
12:43 By the way, it’s still being discussed
12:46 in the Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, and
12:49 Finnish press to this day.
12:52 What a horror. Merz said: "Well, if the
12:56 President of Russia is at the G20, I
13:00 won't shy away from a conversation."
13:04 And he was planning to shy away before?
13:06 >> This Merz is a record-holder; he just
13:09 set a record this weekend. 82 percent
13:12 disapprove of his activities.
13:16 percent.
13:17 But on the other hand, the German
13:19 Minister of Justice has called for
13:20 examining the grounds for banning the
13:22 AfD party. Eating alternative for, of
13:24 course, that's timely. Well,
13:26 >> yes.
13:28 And what is the basis for Merz holding
13:31 his post as chancellor with this kind of
13:34 popular support?
13:36 No, let's not examine that. Oh, you
13:38 democrats of ours.
13:39 >> No need, no need. Merz is there because
13:42 the right people put him there. What do
13:44 ratings have to do with it? Yes,
13:46 >> in general, yes. Well, basically, Macron
13:49 is silent. And Merz is grumbling. It
13:53 seems we haven't heard from Ursula for
13:54 quite a while, too. Something must have
13:56 gone wrong for her there. She’s somehow
13:59 gone quiet.
13:59 >> Right. And she isn't cheering us up with
14:02 any news.
14:04 I'm honestly feeling a bit worried about
14:07 her, Ursula von der Leyen.
14:09 Right. Well, on the bright side,
14:12 Sikorski won't shut up.
14:13 >> That's true.
14:14 >> Right. God, the amount of nonsense
14:16 Sikorski has been spewing. Well, he's
14:18 always been known for that, but here
14:20 he's just really broken loose. Right.
14:24 And he’s broadcasting almost every
14:27 single day, it seems.
14:29 He probably feels that all this might
14:31 end for him soon.
14:33 He'll have to head back to his wife.
14:37 Maybe that doesn't make him happy, I
14:39 don't know.
14:40 Right.
14:41 But
14:41 >> how did they resolve things with the
14:43 Constitutional Court?
14:44 You know, it's interesting, but it has
14:46 somehow gone quiet.
14:47 I’m planning to discuss that with
14:49 Nikolai Maratovich Mezhevich today. So,
14:52 in other words, nothing was resolved.
14:53 That's for sure, yes. Right. And, of
14:56 course, the terrorist attack that
14:59 occurred in Warsaw—again, regarding
15:01 terrorist attacks, we don't permit any
15:04 sarcasm or any jokes whatsoever.
15:07 I would just like to know exactly what
15:11 happened there and who this terrorist is
15:14 . Well, we hope we’ll find out.
15:18 >> What we know is that the Russian
15:19 delegation in Abu Dhabi is led by
15:21 Medinsky, accompanied by Ryabkov,
15:23 Galuzin, and the military. According to
15:26 EuroS, the Europeans are also going, but
15:28 their place at the table is in question
15:30 . Merz said that he would not shy away
15:33 from a conversation with Putin if he met
15:35 him at the G20 summit.
15:37 And let’s clarify the EU debts. Ukraine
15:40 has been allocated a loan of 90 billion
15:42 euros, and 200 billion is the total aid
15:45 since 2022.
15:46 >> Trump gave all sorts of interviews,
15:49 >> a huge mountain of them. Right.
15:51 >> Yes. Both regarding Iran, and regarding
15:55 Ukraine, and regarding...but the last
15:59 report really cheered me up, Dima and I
16:03 exchanged opinions on it. Trump stated
16:07 that in January 2029, when he leaves the
16:10 presidency, as he hopes, he will issue,
16:14 as he put it, a huge number of indul—no
16:17 , not indulgences, but amnesties,
16:21 >> yes, pardons, pardons, yes, to his
16:23 assistants, advisors,
16:26 >> relatives. I just
16:28 >> a normal, good political system.
16:30 >> yes,
16:32 >> everything is fine here. Well, at the
16:35 same time, regarding things of substance
16:38 that have any sort of practical
16:40 implications, we will, as always, put a
16:43 question mark. He said that he doesn't
16:46 plan to attack Iran for now, he's hoping
16:49 for negotiations. Meanwhile, Rubio
16:51 suddenly popped up—he’d been gone for a
16:53 long time—he popped up and started
16:55 saying that Iran’s demands are
16:57 impossible,
16:58 >> even offensive.
16:59 >> Offensive to Rubio, probably, yes.
17:02 It’s curious what is happening in Israel
17:04 . Today, you know, we’re just going to
17:08 discuss the whole field, yes. So, Gadi
17:11 Eisenkot will now be forming a
17:13 government,
17:14 >> well, attempting to, let’s say,
17:15 >> well, he will be forming it, yes, will
17:17 he manage to form one
17:19 >> who knows, most likely not.
17:22 There could also be all sorts of inhuman
17:25 forms there, you know, well, inhuman in
17:27 the sense that it’s hard for us to even
17:30 imagine.
17:32 Like, they might take turns, Gantz and
17:35 Netanyahu might take turns serving as
17:38 prime minister, yes, one for six months
17:40 , the other for six months.
17:43 That’s possible too, you know. So, but
17:46 it is obvious that the Iranian adventure
17:50 didn’t go, uh, well, unnoticed, right,
17:53 neither for Trump nor for Netanyahu.
17:57 America, by the way, said: "Well, now is
17:59 the time to return to the reconstruction
18:02 of Gaza." In general,
18:04 >> and there should be some sort of
18:06 technocratic Palestinian government.
18:09 That’s just perfect for Netanyahu right
18:12 now, all of this. But let's see, yes,
18:15 let's see. Iran is taking a firm
18:17 position. It says, there is what we
18:20 agreed upon back then during the first
18:22 negotiations, yes, and that is what we
18:25 will proceed from. If it is not being
18:27 fulfilled, then there is nothing to talk
18:28 about. And, in general, the position is
18:30 well-founded and understandable.
18:32 Well, you can't say that it’s somehow
18:35 inflated or anything else.
18:38 It’s curious that, uh, J.D. Vance—whom I
18:42 persistently want to call DJ Vance, J.D.
18:45 —uh, if I slip up, please forgive me,
18:48 I’m saying this to the viewers and
18:52 listeners right away.
18:55 He is conducting, as reports again
18:57 suggest, active negotiation work with
19:00 Iran.
19:03 Uh, well, maybe something will come of
19:06 it, because for Vance, of course, if he
19:08 intends to continue participating in the
19:11 presidential race, then, in principle, a
19:14 person who secured a peace agreement and
19:17 peace, that would be a good domestic
19:20 American position, right, because very
19:23 few people in the United States support
19:26 this war against Iran.
19:29 And so,
19:30 >> Well, as I understand it, based on what
19:34 our Americanists are saying, in various
19:37 programs, and in the ones you
19:40 participate in—and I watch carefully
19:44 from the sidelines—many say that in this
19:48 sense, he was a politician who left the
19:52 impression that he was against it, he
19:55 even justified Trump's actions at some
19:59 point, and so on. Well, probably, in
20:01 general,
20:02 >> out of loyalty.
20:03 >> Out of loyalty, yes.
20:07 But he left it as, "I was against it,"
20:09 and this is, well, a continuation of
20:12 that position now.
20:13 >> Well yes, let's see. But he also handled
20:16 those negotiations, right, the first
20:18 ones after the, uh, after the
20:20 American-Israeli attack. He is leading
20:22 negotiations now, too. Well, let's see
20:25 what, uh, what comes of this, uh. There
20:30 . What else did Trump say? That he
20:31 definitely doesn't want to end up in
20:33 hell. He was asked: "When you die, what
20:35 will happen to you?" It took him four
20:37 tries to get to the answer to that
20:39 question. He said: "I don't want hell. I
20:41 think heaven." I think,
20:44 >> yes, I think heaven.
20:44 >> Who will he negotiate with,
20:46 >> yes. Well, in general,
20:47 >> some curious information has come in.
20:51 It relates to our previous conversation
20:53 regarding the Europeans and their
20:55 position.
20:56 We were remembering that call.
20:59 So, Politico came out with, well, not
21:01 even an investigation, but information,
21:04 a leak that Stubb and Støre—well, those
21:06 are the representatives, yes—
21:09 >> yes, there,
21:11 >> for months, Politico writes, they
21:13 secretly discussed the possibility of a
21:16 conversation with Putin, you understand
21:18 , months in secret.
21:20 >> There.
21:22 And, at the same time, they, Politico
21:24 writes, felt they could not allow only
21:26 US representatives to have a direct
21:28 dialogue with Russia and decided to
21:30 resume international contacts ahead of
21:33 the new talks in Abu Dhabi.
21:35 Well, if it was for months, they
21:37 couldn't have known about Abu Dhabi yet
21:39 , in general.
21:40 >> You understand, I think that, of course
21:42 , this Støre and Stubb thing, there were
21:44 no months involved there.
21:47 This is all already, so to speak,
21:48 predetermined. Here's what it looks like
21:52 , that it's, of course, a coordinated
21:56 action, British-European, which needed
21:59 to set up such a piece.
22:03 They coordinated it, but said: "Let's do
22:06 this, you act on your own, in case
22:08 something goes wrong, we had nothing to
22:11 do with it."
22:12 There. And go ahead.
22:14 And it looks like this kind of story,
22:18 exactly this one and no other, yes.
22:24 Well, you see, the only thing Milo keeps
22:27 shouting from Rome is: "Let's finally
22:30 appoint someone for the negotiations."
22:34 This has been going on for the last
22:36 couple of months or more, every time you
22:38 : "Well, let's appoint someone." But
22:40 it's not that they can't appoint someone
22:42 , right?
22:45 Well, on the other hand, maybe they
22:47 really can't; I mean, to appoint someone
22:49 , you need to give them authority
22:55 and, um, what is it, a brief for the
22:59 >> Well yes, what's allowed and what isn't
23:02 >> Well, how,
23:02 >> well, the public part, the secret part.
23:05 Well fine, we won't know the secret part
23:07 , but there must be a public one, right
23:08 ?
23:10 Well, imagine they give a brief; they
23:12 have to write that, well, they need to
23:14 talk seriously with the Russians, which
23:17 is impossible to consider there.
23:20 And to write nonsense about how the
23:22 Russians must—
23:23 >> Russians, surrender—
23:25 >> well then, what the hell kind of
23:26 negotiations are those? That's also
23:27 clear now, isn't it? And this is like
23:29 that monkey dilemma. Do I go to the
23:31 smart ones or the beautiful ones? I just
23:33 don't know. And Milo's like, "Well,
23:35 let's appoint someone already." Yes, I
23:37 think that whoever is doing the
23:39 appointing needs, at some point, to, you
23:42 know, just stop it, yes. But who will we
23:45 appoint, and with what, because as long
23:48 as all those who have, well, tarnished
23:52 themselves, let's say, with Russophobia
23:55 up to their eyeballs remain, well, then
23:59 it's impossible.
24:02 Well, and if others come next year, well
24:05 , at least in France, that's also, of
24:08 course, unclear, because while they're
24:11 in the opposition they say one thing,
24:14 and when they get into office, they say
24:18 another.
24:19 Well, we'll see.
24:21 But at least, if the backers of this
24:23 whole thing want to maneuver, they will
24:25 , of course, only be able to maneuver by
24:28 changing.
24:30 Well, somehow these official ruling
24:32 circles, the official ones specifically
24:35 . There, and—
24:37 we'll see, yes, we'll see, because it
24:40 might be in the backers 'interest to
24:42 make a certain maneuver, because, of
24:44 course, the situation is hitting a dead
24:47 end for them.
24:49 Well, public opinion is already quite
24:51 firmly convinced that the war is lost
24:53 and that's enough, it's time to end it
24:55 here. There. Yes, and it's not for
24:57 nothing that in the last part of our
24:59 program we talked about those 200
25:01 billion.
25:02 They are discussing very seriously in
25:05 Europe now that the money they allocated
25:07 —and by the way, they’ve only allocated
25:10 it in words, right, they haven't paid
25:12 Ukraine anything in full yet—but if they
25:15 have to pay, they will have to borrow it
25:17 again, and that will fly past 200
25:21 And this is being seriously discussed.
25:24 And this figure is already, well,
25:26 circulating in Europe, including in the
25:28 mainstream press. Yeah.
25:30 And even those people who lived in a
25:33 bubble, so to speak, they now know that
25:35 in order to continue this rhetoric, you
25:38 know, about helping Ukraine, about
25:40 defending freedom and democracy and so
25:43 on, they will have to pay for it out of
25:46 their own pockets, and it will be felt
25:48 more and more.
25:50 Yeah. And they really don't like it when
25:53 it's felt.
25:54 We see this in their statements, but
25:57 what can you do?
25:59 >> You know, regarding this call and its
26:01 significance, it seems to me that it’s
26:02 an action of the same order.
26:05 You remember how this German foreign
26:08 minister was pushing to get to Lavrov,
26:11 >> right?
26:13 To declare that, "Look, I came here,"
26:15 and it seems to me, yeah, we were
26:17 something...he came, Lavrov shrugged and
26:20 said, "Well, yeah, he just said
26:22 everything they always say."
26:24 >> And he returned to Germany saying, "
26:26 Well, you see, I am reaching out."
26:28 >> It seems to me that this call is about
26:30 the same thing, right?
26:33 >> Maybe, but at least after the
26:35 conversation, they didn't try to portray
26:37 themselves as giants.
26:40 That's true,
26:42 >> of international relations, who were
26:43 putting Russia in its place, like, you
26:45 know? That's him.
26:47 Well, therefore, moreover, even all the
26:49 ...well, not all, but the insinuations
26:52 that they were lecturing him about the
26:54 Pechenegs, they called it nonsense, yes
26:57 , the Western press wrote that.
26:59 And they said the conversation was
27:01 substantive.
27:03 Well, it started, of course, with the
27:04 issue of 2014 and the coup, but that’s
27:06 objective.
27:08 Well, because no, you can't let them
27:11 forget about it. They would love to
27:13 forget.
27:14 >> They would forget, yes,
27:15 >> they are there...Sikorski or whoever it
27:18 was raving about this, saying no,
27:20 someone or other claimed that it wasn't
27:23 all like that, not quite like that.
27:26 That in 2014 Yanukovych essentially left
27:28 on his own.
27:30 Meaning there was no armed coup. So, he
27:36 supposedly paid the price for, like, the
27:40 forceful, the forceful action against
27:43 the opposition. What forceful action was
27:46 that? And honestly, I didn't even
27:48 understand what we're talking about.
27:51 >> Yes, we can't forget, because they would
27:53 , of course, start from the point, well
27:55 , "Russia attacked," you see, like...
27:58 >> Excuse me, but what happened before that
28:00 ? Seven.
28:01 >> And that's not important. That’s not
28:02 important,
28:03 >> not important, yeah, not important. That
28:05 is different.
28:06 That is, yeah, that is different. We...
28:07 that's not important. No, it won't be
28:09 like that. It definitely won't be like
28:11 that. So we will have to consider
28:13 everything as a whole, in its
28:15 interdependence, starting from the
28:18 decision to expand NATO to the east.
28:20 That is what they will have to do. They
28:22 , of course, really, uh, don't want that
28:26 . Yeah. But, um, you see, it’s not just
28:29 about diplomacy, it’s about what the
28:31 Russian soldier and the Russian army are
28:34 doing. They are pressuring the enemy,
28:37 and doing so very seriously.
28:40 Well, in general, look, even during the
28:42 autumn, right, now there is a certain,
28:45 well, on the line of contact, let's call
28:47 it a pause in quotation marks, well,
28:49 there are just no intense reports and
28:51 forward movement.
28:53 But it's only—and by the way, we've
28:55 gotten used to it, right—just a couple
28:56 of weeks of relative calm, and we're
28:58 already like, well, nothing strange.
29:01 If you look at all the previous years,
29:04 you will see that there were similar
29:07 pauses.
29:08 Well, troops need to regroup, replenish
29:11 , they need to advance to new, uh,
29:13 points from which the next steps will be
29:15 taken.
29:16 This is all absolutely normal.
29:19 Especially, I repeat, in a specific war
29:22 where 30 to 50 km, well, sort of in both
29:25 directions, relatively speaking, right,
29:28 or is it one strip, right?
29:30 Right, 60-80 km in one strip. Well, what
29:34 is called a dead zone, yes. And, of
29:36 course, this is a completely new
29:39 military phenomenon.
29:41 Yeah. And you don't just have to reckon
29:44 with it. It is the kind of thing that
29:47 dictates the requirements for, well, a
29:50 very fast restructuring of everything:
29:53 tactics, military thinking, uh, the
29:56 equipment that is needed, right, for
29:58 this. Yeah. And where the experience of
30:01 old front-line operations turns out to
30:04 be completely useless.
30:06 So, there are a lot of different
30:08 variables here, but at the same time,
30:11 yes, the autumn, well, the cauldron in
30:14 the north, in the north of the Kharkiv
30:17 region was closed.
30:20 Like Alexeyevo-Druzhkovka,
30:22 Konstantinovka in the Zaporizhzhia
30:25 direction around Orekhov. Uh, these are
30:28 achievements, as they say, on the line
30:31 of contact. Well, as for what is
30:34 happening in Crimea, in Ukraine's rear,
30:38 that is a separate story. And thanks to
30:41 the Czech journalists who showed us the
30:44 so-called northern
30:45 >> bridge. Yes,
30:47 >> bridge. Why is it called that? Because
30:49 its historical name is the Moscow Bridge
30:52 So, I ask you to remember that. And I
30:54 ask my fellow journalists, let's use the
30:57 bridge's original name. The Moscow
30:59 Bridge is a bridge, uh, in Kiev. So, uh
31:02 , we hit it, so to speak, quite well.
31:05 Once again, I want to thank the honest
31:07 journalists who showed all of this.
31:10 They only showed one big hole, but they
31:13 say there were four missile hits.
31:16 Yes. And I think that, uh, this
31:19 targeting of the two bridges, the Moscow
31:23 —also known as the Northern—and the
31:28 Southern, will, in the short term, lead
31:32 to them being taken out of service. That
31:36 will, of course, create a completely
31:38 different situation.
31:40 First and foremost in Kiev itself, but
31:42 also regarding the delivery of
31:43 everything necessary to the front.
31:46 We are also working on the bridges in
31:49 Zaporozhye. Yes. But, in principle,
31:52 these are the two main such crossings.
31:55 Also Dnipro, Dnipropetrovsk—those are
31:58 the three main crossings to the left
32:00 bank, through which deliveries and troop
32:03 supplies go, and so on.
32:06 Well, by the way, I will repeat this
32:09 thing once more, when we say: "We are
32:11 responding with retaliatory strikes."
32:14 Not only is this true, because, well,
32:17 take the latest example.
32:19 He was planning to carry out a forty-day
32:22 coercion of us into peace. So, in
32:24 response to that forty-day coercion into
32:26 peace, we get this.
32:29 But it is interesting that this is
32:31 significant in Ukraine, because, well,
32:33 everything was more or less fine there
32:35 for the residents, for those who weren't
32:37 , you know, involved.
32:39 Zelensky started his forty-day coercion
32:41 , Russia responded, and everyone there
32:44 understands that.
32:47 And that attitude, "Where are you going
32:49 , you?"
32:51 is there, precisely because we are doing
32:54 it this way.
32:56 >> And here, I think it's very important,
32:57 Dim, to highlight this connection. We
32:59 talk about this constantly. And you
33:02 mentioned it today too, but I would like
33:04 to bold it once more.
33:07 Uh, all these calls, these negotiations
33:10 , this commotion in the European and
33:12 general Western press regarding
33:15 negotiations with Russia—that something
33:18 needs to be decided—it's all because it
33:21 reflects what is happening on the ground
33:24 , what is happening on the line of
33:27 contact, regardless of what they say,
33:30 like: this is a stalemate, some kind of
33:33 dead end, and so on.
33:36 Well, it is precisely this "dead end" in
33:39 quotes, that very pressure being exerted
33:41 , including now on energy infrastructure
33:44 , including these bridges, and so on—
33:46 not forgetting the ports, not forgetting
33:48 the Black Sea, the waters, and so on and
33:51 so forth.
33:52 All of this is a result, exactly that, a
33:56 result of the actions of the Russian
33:59 army. This must be understood absolutely
34:02 clearly.
34:03 >> I absolutely agree with you.
34:05 And it's no accident that we ourselves
34:08 said we would have to move to military
34:11 and military-technical means, because in
34:14 other communicative spheres it was
34:16 impossible to achieve this due to the
34:19 Western position.
34:21 But I would like to say just a couple
34:23 more words.
34:24 I want to send words of support and
34:27 emotion to my fellow countrymen in
34:29 Donbas, to the Crimeans, the Belgorod
34:32 residents, and the Kursk residents—that
34:35 is, to everyone along the line of
34:38 contact who is grit-to-grit, so to speak
34:41 , standing against the adversary.
34:45 Simple people, simple citizens, yes,
34:48 there are power outages, there are
34:50 casualties, there is destruction.
34:55 The courage and resilience of the simple
34:58 Russian people who continue to live and
35:02 stand firm near the line of contact is
35:05 worthy of respect.
35:08 And this is, in a way, a great feat for
35:11 every person who lives there, goes to
35:15 work, and performs their simple human
35:18 and civic duties every day.
35:21 >> I agree 100%. I bow to you.
35:24 >> Regarding Trump's interview on the 60
35:26 Minutes program. He said he sees no
35:28 reason to attack Iran right now,
35:30 although he did not rule out a military
35:32 option. He promised many pardons in the
35:34 second half of his term. And the call
35:37 from Stoltenberg to Putin was on October
35:39 27th and lasted about an hour and a half
35:42 Dmitry Evgenyevich sees this as a split
35:44 in Europe. We'll see if that's confirmed
35:47 >> I wish everyone a good, pleasant morning
35:50 . And I am glad to welcome Alexander
35:52 Vyacheslavovich Losev to the studio.
35:55 Sasha, hello.
35:56 >> Hello.
35:57 >> What do you have for us?
35:59 >> Well, you know, a lot, but in the last
36:02 two weeks, since we haven't seen each
36:04 other, so much has happened: Trump lost
36:07 Congress, and the artificial
36:08 intelligence bubble has finally started
36:11 to deflate.
36:12 Deflate, but it's not the end yet.
36:14 >> Not burst yet, right. Uh.
36:19 Plus, we see that the third part of the
36:21 "ballet" is being prepared in the Middle
36:24 East.
36:25 It will be interesting to see the APEC
36:29 summit take place in Chinese Shenzhen.
36:32 It’s literally in 10 days, in 9 or 10
36:34 days, on November 18th-19th. And it's
36:37 hard to imagine what Trump will say
36:43 For now, Xi Jinping looks like the
36:45 winner in this situation, but it's too
36:47 early to write off Trump; he still has
36:49 two months, and in that time he will
36:51 cause such trouble that we will be
36:53 discussing it for a long time, and the
36:55 world will be dealing with the aftermath
36:59 And the only good thing Trump could do
37:02 for Europe, so that they finally stop
37:04 laughing at Americans, is to introduce
37:06 kangaroos to Austria.
37:09 Well, at least 2,000 of them.
37:12 So that it would be indistinguishable
37:13 from Australia.
37:13 >> No, it’s just that Americans think there
37:15 are kangaroos in Austria, and there’s
37:17 even a sign at the Vienna airport that
37:18 says: "There are no kangaroos here—this
37:20 is Austria,
37:21 >> not Australia." Yes.
37:22 >> Yes. Now we can get started, and
37:24 everything will be fine. Look, here is
37:27 what I wanted to talk about.
37:30 What we are seeing now, this kind of
37:33 fragile peace, or rather not peace, but
37:35 attempts to restore some relations,
37:38 trade, and so on.
37:42 We have now reached a situation where
37:46 conflict, not trade or consumption, will
37:51 be the new driving force of
37:54 international relations, and therefore
37:59 the global economy—conflict, and trying
38:04 to restore trade, as the Chinese are
38:08 trying to do, and as we are trying to do
38:12 , for example, right?
38:16 Well, you should trade with those who
38:18 are ready to trade with you, and not
38:20 those who are, uh, preparing weapons to
38:23 attack you.
38:25 And the situation currently unfolding in
38:29 the Persian Gulf region, and the way the
38:32 Americans are currently
38:37 morally preparing their politicians for
38:40 a war with China over Taiwan—this
38:43 preparation is ongoing.
38:46 I don’t know how they are preparing
38:47 militarily.
38:49 Perhaps they are preparing too, because
38:51 no one has canceled the national
38:53 security strategy or the national
38:55 defense strategy. Trump has another two
38:57 years as president, and they will be
39:00 arming everyone there.
39:03 But simply put, what happened just now
39:05 in their Congress, what is happening
39:08 around Ukraine, and what will continue
39:10 to happen in the Middle East and Europe
39:13 —on one hand, it pushes the situation
39:15 into a more global conflict, and on the
39:18 other hand, they, well, our adversaries
39:20 and China's adversaries, are not ready
39:23 for a serious conflict because they
39:25 spent too much money on the wrong things
39:28 and in the wrong places,
39:31 and that money somehow burns just as
39:33 well as the oil in the tankers currently
39:36 in the Strait of Hormuz. And
39:40 it is clear that
39:43 there is no avoiding the main conflict
39:45 between the United States and China. It
39:48 is clear that for these two forces to
39:52 win, they must gain control over
39:55 resources.
39:57 It is clear that the Middle East is
39:59 exactly the kind of resource that the
40:01 United States will try to keep away from
40:04 China. Russia is also a country that is
40:07 helping China with resources. Therefore
40:09 , the conflict in Ukraine will continue
40:12 And no matter what they say about
40:15 peacekeeping and attempts to win a Nobel
40:18 Peace Prize—whoever it is that gives
40:21 those out—everything will continue.
40:26 Europe, uh, they are turning Europe into
40:28 , well, not exactly kamikazes, they are
40:30 turning them into the new Banderites,
40:32 into combat slaves for slaughter, in my
40:34 opinion.
40:36 Because analyzing the situation in the
40:39 European economy and the lack of logic
40:43 there, I can only draw one conclusion.
40:48 The Americans very skillfully replaced
40:51 themselves as our adversary with
40:53 Europeans, right, in order to focus on
41:00 their main adversary, China.
41:03 The Europeans, as we have already
41:05 discussed, have no other options. Uh, to
41:07 rise up, to arm themselves, to win or to
41:09 die, to sleep and dream. Let's recall
41:11 Hamlet's monologue. Yes. There. Their
41:14 world will simply end like Hamlet's,
41:16 right?
41:18 Like in Hamlet, they will lose the
41:22 Kingdom of Denmark, but not immediately
41:27 They still have to suffer a little bit.
41:31 Well, not like Sukhov, but like those
41:33 Bandera followers who are being taken
41:35 away there instead of the Gestapo. I
41:38 don't know. It seems to me that if a
41:39 country chooses Nazism and has come to
41:41 love Nazism, it should learn to love the
41:43 Gestapo.
41:44 And there is no need to feel sorry for
41:46 it.
41:47 >> Yes, to feel sorry here is just...
41:49 whatever they created themselves, they
41:52 are reaping the harvest of.
41:54 >> But, uh, now, as we move on to...I have
41:57 brought a very interesting report from
42:01 an American think tank.
42:04 Right,
42:07 well, before we get to that conversation
42:10 , I just want to say that we, Russia,
42:13 have very little time to start economic
42:16 growth and real import substitution,
42:18 because due to the dismantling of the
42:21 existing economic model, all these
42:24 wonderful visionary projects—about
42:27 cities of the future, about some kind of
42:30 artificial intelligence,
42:36 startups, or whatever—we can stop
42:38 dreaming about them in a split second,
42:42 Because as soon as this crisis, this
42:45 conflict enters a more active phase,
42:49 right, when this conflict concerns not
42:52 us, not the Middle East, but those who
42:56 are more involved in creating computers
42:59 , technology, and so on—well, then there
43:03 will simply be a loss of very many
43:06 technologies,
43:08 and it will be impossible to restore a
43:12 great deal.
43:14 And these trade chains, production
43:16 chains, in which practically all
43:18 countries of the world are included.
43:21 After all, when we talk about how
43:23 artificial intelligence bubbles are
43:26 bursting, we are talking not only about
43:28 American investors losing trillions of
43:30 dollars, but also Chinese, Korean, and
43:33 European ones.
43:36 We are talking about the fact that the
43:38 losers will also be those developing
43:40 countries, quite poor ones, on whose
43:43 territory those very rare-earth metals,
43:45 copper, cobalt, tantalum, well,
43:47 everything that was necessary for the
43:49 computer industry, were mined.
43:53 Therefore, the impact will be felt
43:55 strongly down the chain. And
43:59 in reality, this conflict
44:02 is exactly what shaped the world order
44:05 in the past. And now we need to think,
44:07 first of all, about real technological
44:09 sovereignty, because, well, nothing will
44:11 work out later. Uh, in some time, uh, we
44:14 will lose access to very many
44:16 technologies, including those from China
44:18 , right, because China will no longer be
44:21 concerned with these technologies.
44:23 Really, as soon as the crisis enters an
44:26 acute phase in the Indo-Pacific, the
44:29 Americans are indeed planning a blockade
44:32 of the Taiwan and Malacca straits, and
44:35 interest in the Northern Sea Route, as
44:37 well as our transport corridors, I think
44:40 , will increase many times over.
44:43 And they will build Power of Siberia 2,
44:46 I think, instantly. Well, because there
44:48 will be nowhere else to go.
44:51 And in this situation, the main thing
44:53 becomes the preservation of our own
44:56 economy, our own security, and human
44:59 intelligence.
45:01 Yes.
45:02 Well, it is clear that in this global
45:05 conflict, we will lose the ability to
45:09 access many technologies and
45:11 developments, yes.
45:14 We need technological sovereignty.
45:17 But there is no other way.
45:20 Simply none, yes. And we need a strong
45:24 army, and we need a different balance of
45:27 power. Therefore, what will happen in
45:30 the Chinese "Three-Body Problem," this
45:32 isn't even a three-body problem.
45:34 It's just talk, unfortunately, because
45:36 it won't be possible to reach an
45:38 agreement there, since Trump will
45:40 essentially be talking to two enemies of
45:42 America: Russia and China.
45:45 China will be talking to two trading
45:48 partners: America and Russia.
45:52 Russia will think it is talking to
45:54 trading partners, although neither one
45:56 nor the other are really partners. And
45:58 America, its plans haven't gone anywhere
46:02 . To kill Europe against Russia, just as
46:04 they are currently killing Ukraine.
46:07 And China, which has now become, in
46:10 essence, the beneficiary of
46:12 globalization and has replaced the
46:14 United States in this global economy,
46:17 which is already doomed to failure,
46:22 well, to dismantling. We have talked
46:25 about this many times as well. And so,
46:27 the Americans have bought themselves
46:30 time.
46:32 They bought it because we are holding on
46:35 and not giving up. And we will prevail.
46:39 They bought it because they printed an
46:41 incredible amount of money, they created
46:43 debts, right?
46:44 And debt, well, it sort of supports the
46:48 global economy because every dollar that
46:51 appears in the financial system arises
46:55 from debt.
46:56 Let me remind you again, yes, there is
46:58 cash in dollars. They print them, by the
47:01 way, not the Fed, they are printed by
47:03 the Bureau of Engraving, but there is a
47:05 small amount of them. All non-cash
47:08 dollars originated from debt.
47:11 The larger the debt, the more dollars in
47:12 circulation.
47:14 Therefore, as long as the Americans hold
47:16 this structure together, they believe
47:18 they will cope with these debts because
47:20 everyone else will buy their debt
47:22 obligations.
47:26 The artificial intelligence bubble began
47:28 to deflate exactly at the moment when it
47:30 became clear that there was not enough
47:32 money, that there is an antagonistic war
47:35 for capital.
47:36 Capital is needed by the American
47:39 government and other governments, yes,
47:43 because they cannot reduce expenses. And
47:46 they cannot cut the budget deficit. And
47:49 they cannot reduce the debt because they
47:51 are used to living well, but they have
47:54 lost the economy.
47:56 Used to living, uh...
48:03 without cutting expenses, while
48:05 understanding that geopolitics will only
48:07 force these expenses to increase.
48:10 They are used to supporting any regimes
48:13 that harm Russia. And in the end, there
48:16 was less money. Here appears an
48:18 identical monster, a cadaver, which is
48:21 now bursting. The AI cadaver, an
48:24 insatiable cadaver, which just this year
48:27 sucked 3 trillion dollars out of the
48:30 global financial system.
48:32 >> Yes, I just wanted to add here, but what
48:35 is also interesting for the United
48:37 States, of course, needs to be
48:39 researched, perhaps some experts will
48:42 take it up.
48:44 Well, it is interesting, right, in the
48:47 absence of a sufficient amount of
48:50 capital, and money in general, an
48:52 interesting situation arises.
48:56 On one hand, one needs to finance
48:58 constantly growing national debts and
49:00 payments on them, which means one must
49:02 borrow.
49:04 And on the other hand, there isn't
49:06 enough money for so-called startups on
49:09 the exchanges for artificial
49:12 Money is needed there too.
49:14 >> Well, these aren't even startups, they
49:17 are already such ravenous cadavers that
49:20 these cadavers...So, money needs to be
49:23 pumped into the cadavers on the exchange
49:26 and into one big cadaver called the
49:28 United States budget.
49:31 >> Also the budget of France, the budget of
49:33 England, the budgets of Italy, Germany,
49:35 Japan
49:36 >> and all the others.
49:37 >> But where is it? Well, by the way, they
49:39 are selling. Interesting, right? I
49:41 understand that there are practically no
49:44 external sales of bonds.
49:47 They are being bought up by American
49:51 institutions, these so-called banks,
49:54 funds, and well, European ones too.
49:58 The Fed itself is buying them up.
50:01 There are practically no sales to the
50:04 international state market for the
50:07 United States right now. Even the
50:09 Treasury is buying them up itself.
50:11 >> The Treasury is buying them up itself,
50:13 yes. That is why
50:18 the moment is near when the bull might
50:21 not be able to carry two, three, and so
50:23 on.
50:24 Everyone that Alexander Vyacheslavovich
50:27 just listed in his story.
50:29 >> Well, they have a bull in Europe.
50:31 Rocinante.
50:32 >> Rocinante. Understood.
50:33 >> He definitely won't be able to carry
50:34 them.
50:35 >> Well yes,
50:36 >> he couldn't even carry one madman. Uh
50:41 the situation where global corporate
50:43 debt related to artificial intelligence
50:45 already accounts for 15%of the total
50:47 volume of all corporate bonds, writes JP
50:49 Morgan.
50:51 Yes, and those 3 trillion that were
50:53 pumped into artificial intelligence is
50:56 even more than what the world spent on
50:59 defense this year.
51:01 This is according to data from the
51:03 Swedish institute SIPRI, which
51:05 calculates these expenses, and data that
51:07 is publicly available in official
51:10 budgets, yes, those 3 trillion dollars.
51:13 And it turns out that for the same
51:15 capital, and there is a limited amount
51:17 of it, while America is, of course,
51:19 creating debt and injecting dollars in
51:22 the form of debt, nevertheless, debts
51:24 are growing faster, yes.
51:26 Since the beginning of the year, the
51:29 first half, according to the Institute
51:31 of International Finance, global debt
51:34 has reached 365 trillion dollars, having
51:36 grown by 10 trillion since the start of
51:39 the year.
51:40 The growth rate of global debt is 6%per
51:42 year, while the growth rate of the
51:44 global economy, according to the IMF, is
51:46 3%.
51:48 And
51:50 this global debt must be financed
51:52 somehow.
51:54 And here, two monsters have appeared
51:56 right under the governments' noses.
51:58 The first monster is the artificial
52:00 intelligence industry. Everything
52:02 connected to it—data centers, chips, and
52:09 the sale of large language models—
52:12 consumes a huge amount of money and
52:16 electricity.
52:18 And crypto, cryptocurrency, which also
52:21 requires money.
52:23 Real money, because what else would they
52:25 grow on?
52:27 Comrade Marx stands up, so to speak, and
52:31 says, "Comrades, where is the real value
52:35 in all of this?"
52:39 >> And here is the unreal value.
52:42 The thing is, it's one thing to have
52:45 something that has value, and another to
52:48 have something that requires colossal
52:50 expenses.
52:53 And expenses cannot be considered value
52:55 >> Yes, of course, that is exactly what I
52:57 am saying, yes.
52:58 >> And it turns out,
52:58 >> well, they built these data centers.
53:00 >> A data center at least has some kind of
53:03 value. But what value does crypto have?
53:05 Yes, if
53:06 >> I don't know what value a center will
53:08 have, because you see what the issue is
53:10 Everything is basically dead without
53:13 software, right? Ah,
53:15 >> yes. And so,
53:16 >> what kind of programs could, well, there
53:18 will be all these voice things running
53:19 there. That is what we will move on to
53:21 in the second part. We will move on to
53:22 the second part.
53:24 I am simply asking the questions that
53:26 immediately came to mind regarding
53:28 crypto and these GP voice chat things.
53:31 Uh, I won't even mention their value,
53:35 let alone their profitability. So,
53:40 good investment.
53:42 >> Isn't it wonderful?
53:44 And no, I'm not saying this is entirely
53:47 bad.
53:48 The technologies will remain.
53:50 It's just that technologies will be
53:53 applied where they should be applied—to
53:55 solve specific tasks required by the
53:58 economy, perhaps required by science,
54:00 but not for killing the brains of
54:02 children and students.
54:05 >> Numbers for our conversation. Global
54:07 debt, according to the Institute of
54:09 International Finance, is over 365
54:12 trillion dollars. Global military
54:14 spending last year was nearly 3 trillion
54:19 According to JP Morgan estimates, AI
54:21 accounts for about 14%of
54:23 investment-grade US bonds.
54:25 The summit in Shenzhen is on November 18
54:29 and 19.
54:30 >> Well, I read that
54:33 whether it's the French, or the
54:35 Europeans, or whoever it is, they are
54:37 pushing for negotiations in Abu Dhabi.
54:39 >> Yes. The French Foreign Minister there,
54:42 >> out of nowhere, he stated, yes.
54:45 >> that Europe will participate, they will
54:47 represent it. At the same time, Europe
54:49 itself, as I understand, is maintaining
54:51 stony silence.
54:51 >> Everyone is silent, in fact.
54:53 >> No, look, at the very least Europe means
54:57 they, he did say he would represent them
55:00 >> right? Not them, some unknown person, he
55:03 won't go himself. Some unknown person
55:06 will represent France, and France will
55:09 represent. Well, that was the statement
55:11 , yes,
55:11 >> such a thing existed, yes.
55:13 >> Europe is silent.
55:15 That is quite a mysterious thing.
55:18 So,
55:22 how did this all start, anyway?
55:27 I remember Viktor Yanukovych.
55:29 We still remember who that is, right?
55:32 Viktor Fyodorovich Yanukovych.
55:34 was supposed to sign the association
55:39 agreement between Ukraine and the EU.
55:45 As I recall, it was multi-page, almost a
55:49 thousand.
55:50 >> Very thick. Yes,
55:51 >> thick. Naturally, nobody really read it
55:57 And suddenly he turned his course around
55:59 , saying he wouldn't sign it.
56:02 After which a revolt, a putsch, an
56:05 overthrow began. And then, well, the
56:08 trouble really started.
56:12 About a year later, somewhere, yes, with
56:14 something
56:17 Merkel and Hollande
56:21 wrote or blessed it, but they had
56:23 blessed it before that, saying
56:25 everything would go fine in Ukraine,
56:27 there would be re-elections.
56:29 But Ukraine didn't make it to them.
56:32 Now the elections were supposed to be
56:34 just elections, right, presidential ones
56:36 were supposed to be in December or
56:38 something like that, and the revolt
56:40 happened 10 months before that.
56:43 >> No, the elections were supposed to be
56:45 later,
56:45 >> later, later, later, later, later.
56:47 >> And in November, that was already the
56:49 result of the agreements they signed,
56:51 that they would be sooner, in six months
56:53 >> Well, correct. Well, here they
56:54 >> signed the agreement in February. Well
56:56 they, well, they were supposed to be
56:58 later, yes, and nothing, yes. So,
56:59 everything.
57:01 All of it was overturned.
57:03 Then they signed, then the same
57:04 individuals signed and the countries
57:06 signed the Minsk agreements, counting on
57:08 the fact that,
57:12 well, it would all settle down somehow.
57:15 That's what they wanted.
57:18 They were planning to develop Ukraine.
57:20 Develop.
57:22 Well, accordingly, the military wing to
57:25 develop it militarily through NATO.
57:29 And economic, well,
57:33 buying up assets, whatever that means.
57:39 We know this process, it's called
57:41 privatization. Yes, the main thing is
57:44 that it happens for free, almost for
57:47 free.
57:48 The locals give it away themselves
57:52 and to make use of it.
57:57 And so, what do we have now, or rather,
58:00 what do they have in this regard? Well,
58:04 Russia took a sharp stand against the
58:06 military development of Ukraine. And
58:08 definitely, he said that this definitely
58:10 will not happen.
58:12 You can hide behind various wordings as
58:14 much as you like, do everything on the
58:17 sly, but we see everything. That is why
58:19 the special military operation began. It
58:21 was directed against exactly that.
58:26 And all of this had other consequences,
58:28 which actually began even before the SMO
58:31 In particular, Crimea broke away, and
58:33 the Donbas declared independence—well,
58:36 which we did not recognize for quite a
58:39 long time, because, for example, the
58:41 Minsk agreements themselves did not, in
58:44 general, imply the format of
58:46 independence that we subsequently
58:48 recognized, yes, even before the
58:50 republics joined Russia. Which,
58:52 incidentally, followed immediately.
58:58 So what is there left to economically
59:01 develop in Ukraine now?
59:03 >> That is a good question. Well, look, so
59:09 the metallurgical east
59:13 has sailed away.
59:16 Well, it's clear there are metallurgical
59:17 enterprises in the Dnipropetrovsk region
59:19 , but I don't think they have much of a
59:21 raw material base of their own. Is that
59:23 so? It was all brought in
59:24 >> in terms of coal, yes. In
59:27 >> terms of coal, no. Well, how then? And
59:29 what will you do then? Well yes, you
59:31 could smelt it using electricity, so to
59:33 speak. But you can do that anywhere. Why
59:36 necessarily there?
59:41 the resource called natural rent,
59:45 meaning balneological, resort-related.
59:50 Crimea, along with its entire shelf—
59:54 where there are hydrocarbons—and its
59:57 agriculture, has also sailed away. And
60:01 it sailed away first and immediately.
60:07 Well, this whole southern belt where not
60:10 just mushrooms grow, but berries too,
60:14 yes,
60:16 meaning Kherson, that place where
60:18 Melitopol is, yes, we know Melitopol
60:21 cherries well.
60:22 All of that has also sailed away.
60:27 Well, as we know, Western Ukraine, well
60:32 it is, how should I put it, a destitute
60:35 land, destitute. There is nothing there
60:38 , no resources at all. Therefore, in
60:41 Soviet times, it was supported and
60:44 subsidized by forcibly placing various
60:47 industries there, against all sound
60:50 economic sense. Well, we remember, do
60:52 you remember, there were
60:53 >> buses, televisions. Buses, televisions,
60:56 what else was there. Well, in principle
60:58 , they did the same with the Baltics.
61:01 But, well, in the Baltics there is at
61:03 least the sea, you can ship products out
61:06 for export there, although it wasn't
61:08 export-oriented in Soviet times.
61:13 But in principle, they were all as poor
61:15 as church mice. Well, and the Swiss were
61:18 the same way, by the way, before the
61:20 Second World War, from which they got
61:22 rich for obvious reasons.
61:26 And this whole thing, you know, running
61:28 around in the mountains, herding sheep
61:31 in the mountains, you won't earn much
61:33 from that. God willing you don't starve
61:36 to death yourself.
61:38 Well, the center remains, with its
61:40 agricultural resources, but that's also
61:43 interesting. And if there are no ports,
61:46 where are you going to send them?
61:50 And you have to get fertilizer somewhere
61:52 , right? Well, you can make it from gas
61:54 , but for that, you need to have gas.
61:59 And what about here? What is there to
62:01 develop, anyway? I mean, what is there
62:03 to develop? What Ukraine?
62:06 Note that I am not currently discussing
62:08 membership, since membership is a very
62:11 ghostly thing altogether.
62:14 Why, for example, hasn't Serbia been
62:16 accepted into the EU yet?
62:18 Why haven't they accepted it?
62:20 Supposedly because of its pro-Russian
62:22 stance.
62:23 >> Well, that's just
62:26 a pretext, as they say, yes, it's like
62:29 that.
62:33 Serbia was defeated, trampled, and
62:36 morally destroyed. The Serbs want
62:39 absolutely nothing except to be left
62:41 alone at last, on any terms, so that,
62:44 God forbid, what happened before doesn't
62:46 happen again.
62:48 It has no access to the sea.
62:50 There are a few million people living
62:51 there, eight or nine, something like
62:53 that, right?
62:54 Well, depending on how you count.
62:58 When they were subjected not only to
63:00 bombing but also to a total blockade,
63:04 they were left with one, shall we say,
63:07 way to breathe.
63:11 You know, there's this topic about how
63:13 to breathe in an apartment when there's
63:16 a fire?
63:19 There's nothing to breathe.
63:20 >> You have to lie on the floor.
63:22 >> Well no, you can lie on the floor, of
63:24 course, but you won't last long
63:25 breathing there.
63:26 >> No, people breathe through the toilet.
63:28 >> I see. And
63:29 >> you need a pipe.
63:31 For example, you can take a vacuum
63:33 cleaner hose, push it through the
63:35 toilet's water seal, and then you'll
63:37 reach the stack.
63:39 It'll stink, but there will be oxygen.
63:40 >> In the stack filled with air, yes, the
63:43 sewage one,
63:45 >> it's open up on the roof,
63:49 >> it's unpleasant, but you can hold out
63:51 until the firefighters arrive.
63:54 That is roughly what they left for the
63:55 Serbs.
63:56 Meaning they had the opportunity to
63:58 personally travel outside of Serbia.
64:01 Well, some even made it to Russia.
64:03 We have these Serbian construction
64:05 workers, excellent craftsmen.
64:08 Well, truthfully, almost all of them are
64:10 now Russian citizens and live in two
64:12 countries, as a rule.
64:14 They kept their original citizenship and
64:16 acquired Russian ones too. But the vast
64:19 majority, naturally, went nearby,
64:24 so they could see how good it is when
64:26 you're not being bombed and there's work
64:30 This argument was presented to them a
64:31 long time ago. Yet they still aren't
64:33 being taken in. Why aren't they being
64:34 taken in? People ask. Because they don't
64:36 give a damn about them there.
64:38 What use are they, anyway? What is there
64:40 to develop? What are you going to
64:41 develop in Serbia?
64:43 In Yugoslavia, yes, there was—that was a
64:46 large, wealthy country.
64:50 So, in general, nobody really needs
64:52 Ukraine either.
64:54 It’s its wealth that is needed.
64:57 The problem is,
65:00 By the way, there are some interesting
65:02 circumstances regarding the black soil,
65:03 too. It was all sold off a long time ago
65:06 , and certainly not to Europeans,
65:10 because huge latifundia were formed
65:13 there, right? As they should be called,
65:16 >> right? And they were bought by TNCs or
65:18 American companies,
65:20 So they just took it all in tens of
65:24 thousands of hectares, you see.
65:28 And what is there to develop? What? How
65:31 , well, so to speak, what can you get
65:33 from a mangy sheep? Where is even a tuft
65:35 of wool?
65:37 It’s not there.
65:40 And accordingly, well okay, the
65:42 plundering of Russia was postponed.
65:45 That, of course, is an idea worthy of
65:48 Vikings, but they haven't moved very far
65:51 in a thousand years, those Vikings.
65:57 The plundering of Ukraine was, well, the
65:59 most immediate and understandable
66:01 prospect. You didn't even need a war for
66:06 That’s why I, by the way, think they
66:08 signed those Minsk agreements quite
66:10 sincerely, thinking, well, why, yes?
66:13 I am explaining now why, on what basis
66:15 can one think that, yes? So,
66:20 do you have an opinion? Ah, so what is
66:21 the basis for that? The basis is this.
66:24 It consists of the fact that, well, it’s
66:26 such a big piece, especially
66:28 understandable to Germany. They set
66:30 their eyes on it in both World War I and
66:33 the second one.
66:36 As we know, German plans never disappear
66:38 . Yes, they lie on their shelves and
66:42 wait for their time.
66:46 The time just never seems to come.
66:51 And how, then, to agree with all of this
66:56 Because at least this should remain to
66:59 justify the costs incurred
67:05 and the losses, yes, because there are
67:09 also losses that are not just costs,
67:12 direct losses, damage they inflicted on
67:16 themselves.
67:20 Well, especially since they, so to speak
67:22 , with persistence worthy of better
67:24 application, continue to refuse oil and
67:26 gas in the future.
67:28 Meaning, so that there should be zero
67:31 tolerance, as it is called, for Russian
67:34 hydrocarbons.
67:36 Well, and how does this correspond to
67:38 any plans? Well, military ones, of
67:39 course. Because if you are going to
67:41 fight Russia in principle, you need to
67:43 make sure there is no one who depends on
67:45 Russia in any way.
67:47 Excuse me, for God's sake, if you
67:48 started counting that as an explanation
67:50 , but at least that news came through.
67:53 Representatives of the Euro-troika will
67:56 not be taking direct part in the
67:59 negotiations in Abu Dhabi, but will only
68:02 be nearby.
68:04 >> No, well, for God's sake.
68:07 >> A group of moral support. The thing is,
68:10 it's a tourist spot.
68:12 >> Yes, Ushakov said exactly that, yes.
68:13 There. And, well,
68:17 >> well, Dubai is more developed in that
68:18 sense, but Abu Dhabi is an option too.
68:20 >> Buy tickets and fly, Yuri Usha told them
68:23 >> There. Although, if you've already made
68:25 it to Abu Dhabi, you might as well go a
68:28 bit further.
68:30 Abu Dhabi is the capital with all that
68:32 implies. Well, basically, they're
68:35 planning to hang around somewhere near
68:37 there, right?
68:42 So what now? I mean, how, how to proceed
68:45 now, because you can't just give Ukraine
68:48 to the Russians, because then it would
68:52 mean that we
68:54 and this, what do you call it, in a
68:57 number of card games, we can't take our
69:00 tricks, right, our winnings.
69:04 We thought that one was in the bag.
69:08 Forget about the crane in the sky, maybe
69:11 it'll fly off later.
69:12 >> But what about the duck under the bed?
69:14 >> The duck under the bed is there, in our
69:16 hands, in our fist. Yes.
69:18 There. And they squeezed that fist for
69:21 so long that it died in there.
69:24 God forbid it gets away.
69:28 There’s just the little corpse of that
69:30 bird left, already starting to decay.
69:36 So, how do we proceed then?
69:38 How can we agree on territorial changes
69:43 There’s nothing left in the cupboard.
69:46 You open it, and the mice have eaten
69:50 There aren't even crumbs left,
69:54 you see? Let alone any cheese or bread.
69:58 There’s nothing to take.
70:03 Here, you see, the Europeans 'militancy
70:06 is quite peculiar, it’s mostly
70:12 demonstrative for now. Well, it's clear
70:15 they are using the ongoing war,
70:19 how they are conducting it. We are
70:21 conducting a special military operation
70:22 . They aren't fighting, they aren't
70:24 waging war.
70:26 Meaning, on opposite sides of the
70:27 looking glass, we have different objects
70:28 . Yes.
70:29 >> Yes.
70:30 >> There. So, through the looking glass,
70:33 they are actively fighting us.
70:38 And they use this for the military
70:40 mobilization of their society and their
70:43 economies, believing this mobilization
70:46 is vital, and that it will somehow
70:49 resolve their political crisis and stave
70:52 off a political catastrophe.
70:58 Well, it’s, as they say, another ball in
71:01 the same pocket, just a different number
71:03 , well, it goes exactly there, so at the
71:06 very least they have to continue, but
71:11 that argument is relative. Well, okay,
71:14 fine, perhaps they could even continue
71:16 the mobilization, even if they gave
71:18 Russia everything.
71:20 Then they could say: "See, Russia took
71:21 it, they’ll come for us next." Yes, well
71:23 , that’s roughly what they’re saying
71:24 anyway. That’s what they say, right?
71:26 >> That is what they say. So that alone is
71:28 not a sufficient argument. But the fact
71:31 that we won’t get anything out of it.
71:34 Greedy Putin took everything for himself
71:38 Well, that’s their rhetoric, yes,
71:40 >> I emphasize once again, it’s in quotes,
71:42 yes.
71:45 How can one agree with this? How can one
71:47 live with this?
71:49 And the main thing is that the Americans
71:51 , in principle, agree with it.
71:55 The Americans speak roughly like the
71:57 characters in our wonderful film, "The
71:59 Kemsk Volost."
72:01 Take it. Yes, that’s it.
72:02 >> Well, just yesterday, Trump said that as
72:05 a result of a peace agreement
72:07 >> the shape of Ukraine will change
72:10 somewhat, Trump said.
72:11 >> It will become slimmer.
72:13 >> Yes, yes, yes.
72:15 >> I think that's what he meant.
72:19 >> Well, it will slim down, the fat will
72:21 melt away, all the excess, yes.
72:24 Italy will appear, otherwise it has
72:26 spread too much.
72:28 >> You see, Ukrainians, of course, have a
72:30 lot of, well, they shouldn't be thinking
72:32 about this, but in general, you know,
72:34 being accepted into the EU, they have a
72:36 "Euro-dream," yes, to be accepted into
72:37 the EU, even promising, the EU needs to
72:39 be asked one question.
72:42 What borders do you promise to accept
72:45 Ukraine within?
72:48 Within what borders will it be accepted
72:50 ? You said that you would definitely
72:51 accept it. Which ones?
72:52 >> Dima, nobody cares about that. Let us
72:55 explain why.
72:56 >> So, as of today, the Ukrainian
72:59 population is probably the most mobile
73:01 population, if not in the world,
73:04 >> well, in any case,
73:05 >> everyone will leave. They will all leave
73:07 —
73:07 >> they will head there, well, once
73:09 accepted.
73:12 And in a single day—
73:15 the sun will rise and before it sets,
73:17 they will all be there.
73:19 That is why,
73:20 >> well, I don’t mind,
73:22 >> they are waiting for it from Europe;
73:23 they don’t care about legal details. "
73:25 Provide for us." That is what they are
73:27 striving for. What does the "Euro-dream
73:29 " consist of? That those who take us on
73:31 as dependents—
73:32 >> not the population. I understand,
73:34 >> before this, the Soviet Union supported
73:36 us.
73:37 It disappeared. Russia didn't want to
73:38 support them. Well, it gave handouts of
73:41 various kinds in the form of gas, yes,
73:43 and various profitable contracts and its
73:45 own market. Well, that’s all too
73:46 complicated. Could I just have a pension
73:48 of 4,000 euros deposited directly into
73:50 my account? I heard this with my own
73:53 ears.
73:53 >> Yes. And so, the Euro-connection will be
73:56 Ukraine in the form of Galicia. Everyone
73:58 will head there. Approximately,
74:00 >> and that will be the recognition.
74:02 >> And the country is rich, Galicia. Yes.
74:04 Even church mice die of hunger there.
74:07 >> Yes. And this will be the recognition of
74:09 new borders in Europe. What a trap that
74:12 is. And the Europeans don't want to
74:14 admit it. What to do?
74:17 In closing, Trump said on November 8th
74:19 that Ukraine would be a slightly
74:21 different shape, but he did not specify
74:23 which territories that concerns.
74:26 The agreement of February 21, 2014, was
74:29 witnessed by ministers Steinmeier,
74:31 Fabius, and Sikorski.
74:33 That was the broadcast by Dmitry
74:35 Kulyakov. Do you agree with his
74:37 assessments?
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