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Russia Revives Demands for NATO Rollback at Peace Talks (WION)
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Not propaganda · agenda: US-Russia talks decide Ukraine's fate
Belief the Pravda network pushes: Russia and the United States should negotiate Ukraine's future without Europe, while Ukraine and the West block peace and threaten Russia.
WION reports that Russia has revived its demand that NATO withdraw to 1997 positions, and an expert guest calls the demands non-starters that Russia is pushing in bad faith.
The video says · at 3:23 · quote checked against the transcript
“The Russians are putting out a set of terms that are complete non-starters. NATO is not going to withdraw from Eastern Europe.”
The Russians are putting out a set of terms that are complete non-starters. NATO is not going to withdraw from Eastern Europe.
The video reports Russia's demands critically, framing them as maximalist and made in bad faith, and says Ukraine, Europe and NATO must agree to any deal. That is the opposite of the Pravda slant that the US and Russia decide Ukraine's fate without Europe, or that Ukraine and the West are the ones blocking peace.
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19 days ago · Sergejus Mardanas: V. Putin in upcoming Ukraine negotiations will likely demand reducing NATO presence in Europe to 1997 levels — The Telegraph
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19 days ago · Putin will demand reduction of NATO military presence in Europe to 1997 levels in Ukraine negotiations, writes The Telegraph
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4 days ago · American TV channel PBS stated before negotiations in Abu Dhabi that it knows the main paragraphs of Ukraine's peace plan
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Transcript (en, 207 lines)
0:00 Well, Russian President Vladimir Putin
0:02 has drawn another red line in efforts to
0:04 end the war in Ukraine. This revives
0:07 Moscow's long-standing demand that NATO
0:10 roll back its military presence in
0:12 Eastern Europe as a condition for a
0:15 potential peace agreement. The renewed
0:17 demand raises new doubts about the
0:19 prospects for a negotiated settlement.
0:22 It suggests that Moscow is unwilling to
0:25 limit discussions to the future of
0:27 occupied Ukrainian territory.
0:30 Russia wants Ukraine to stay out of NATO
0:32 and is demanding that the alliance
0:34 reduce its military presence in Eastern
0:36 Europe. Meanwhile, Moscow also says that
0:39 NATO's expansion threatens its security
0:42 and insists that its concerns must be
0:45 addressed in any peace deal.
0:48 However, Ukraine and its Western allies
0:51 reject Russia's demand to dictate their
0:53 security choices. Ukrainian President
0:55 Rodomir Zalinski has revealed the United
0:58 States has raised the possibility of
1:01 Ukraine surrendering the Donbas region
1:03 to Russia in exchange for NATO
1:05 membership.
1:07 Meanwhile, Zalinski adds that his visits
1:10 to Denmark and Ireland have delivered
1:13 fresh military and financial support for
1:15 Ukraine as the country prepares for
1:17 another difficult winter. this after he
1:20 warned that Russia is putting all its
1:22 resources into its military campaign
1:24 against Ukraine this winter. In a
1:27 statement, he announced a $711 million
1:30 defense package and $22 million in
1:34 energy assistance from Denmark.
1:37 Meanwhile, Russia continues to put
1:39 military pressure on Ukraine, even using
1:41 its larger forces, artillery, and
1:44 missiles to weaken Ukrainian defenses
1:46 and damage critical infrastructure.
1:49 Ukraine however continues to fight back
1:51 with drones, long range attacks and
1:54 support from western countries. And
1:57 despite facing heavy pressure, it has
1:59 not given up its resistance.
2:02 So where is the war heading? Three
2:05 possibilities are emerging. First, the
2:07 war could continue with Russia attacking
2:09 and Ukraine defending itself with drones
2:12 and Western support. Second, the rising
2:15 cost of the war could push both sides
2:17 towards a ceasefire, but disagreements
2:20 over territory could block a peace deal.
2:22 And third, if talks fail, the fighting
2:25 could intensify and tensions between
2:27 Russia and NATO could rise even further.
2:33 For more on this, joining us live from
2:34 Washington DC is Dr. Charles Cupchin,
2:37 senior fellow at the Council on Foreign
2:39 Relations. Welcome again to Weon Dr.
2:41 Cupchin. Putin wants NATO back to its
2:44 1997 footprint before countries like
2:47 Poland and the Baltics joined. Wouldn't
2:50 this essentially be a cold war style
2:52 Europe where Moscow gets a say over its
2:55 neighbors? Even using the war to force a
2:58 roll back. Is this an effective
2:59 strategy?
3:02 Well, I I think you're right that Putin
3:04 has in mind a return to the security
3:07 order that existed during the Cold War
3:10 with a Russian sphere of influence and
3:12 an alliance on one side and NATO on the
3:15 other side. I think it's it it's quite
3:18 depressing that after years of war, now
3:21 we're finally back at the negotiating
3:23 table. The Russians are putting out a
3:25 set of terms that are complete
3:27 non-starters. NATO is not going to
3:30 withdraw from Eastern Europe. We're not
3:33 going to see uh the the retreat of the
3:36 of the order that emerged after the end
3:38 of the of the Cold War. So, the Russians
3:41 are making demands here that are going
3:43 nowhere. And I think one can only
3:46 conclude that their strategy here is to
3:49 continue pounding Ukraine to hit them as
3:51 hard as possible during the winter and
3:54 to continue trying to break the country
3:57 politically.
3:58 >> Indeed, Putin is also still reading from
4:01 his 2022 script, Dr. Cupchin, because he
4:04 had similar demands before the invasion
4:06 of Ukraine. So why should the world
4:08 trust them as a peace offer now?
4:11 >> Well, the world shouldn't trust them. We
4:13 have no reason to believe that after
4:16 several years of negotiations, beginning
4:19 when Trump came back to office, he had
4:22 on a summit with Putin in Alaska, we
4:24 have yet no reason to believe that
4:26 they're negotiating in good faith. The
4:29 only ray of light here is that the
4:32 Russians are not in good shape here. The
4:35 Ukrainians are now hitting them in
4:37 Russia. There are supply shortages,
4:40 gasoline, commodities. The Russians are
4:43 losing about 35,000 soldiers per month,
4:46 but they're not gaining any territory.
4:49 Now you have in the midterms the
4:51 Democrats getting stronger. They're more
4:53 pro- Ukraine.
4:55 >> So Putin is looking at a situation which
4:57 over the longer run is unsustainable.
5:00 But he continues to make demands that I
5:03 think he knows full well neither Ukraine
5:06 nor Europeans nor even Mr. Trump are
5:10 going to be able to accept.
5:12 >> Right. As you speak of Trump, Dr.
5:14 Cupchin, his envoys are exploring
5:16 economic incentives. But Putin does not
5:19 seem to agree. He still wants NATO's
5:21 retreat and end to western arms for
5:23 Ukraine. He also wants restrictions on
5:25 Kev's future. A long list of demands
5:28 right there. And there are now reports
5:29 stating that Ukraine is also being asked
5:31 to give up Donbas. But Ukraine gives up
5:34 land, NATO gives up ground. With so many
5:37 entangled parties here, who in your
5:40 assessment might blink first?
5:43 >> Well, I think in the end of the day, the
5:45 Russians are not going to get what they
5:48 want. And that's simply because if you
5:50 look at the total GDP, the total
5:53 capability, the military strength of
5:55 Ukraine plus NATO, Russia will get an
5:59 end to this war only when it puts on the
6:02 table a proposal that accept is
6:04 acceptable to the Ukrainians and their
6:07 partners. And in some ways, one has to
6:10 come away from the Abu Dhabi meeting and
6:12 now there's a non-paper circulating with
6:15 all these Russian demands just assuming
6:17 that that Russia is living with
6:19 delusions. And I guess we're just going
6:22 to have to wait to see more pain in
6:25 Russia, more Russian soldiers killed,
6:28 more economic and diplomatic isolation
6:31 before we get to something that
6:33 resembles a proposal that could lead to
6:36 an end to this war.
6:38 >> Of course, it's a grave reality right
6:40 there that soldiers are losing their
6:41 lives. And meanwhile, there's also
6:43 European role here, Dr. Cupchin. Russia
6:46 wants Britain and France to rule out
6:48 even using their nuclear weapons to
6:50 protect other European countries. But
6:52 why would they do it? What would stop
6:54 Russia from exploiting that weakness
6:56 later? How do you see Europe's role in
6:58 this conflict?
7:01 >> Well, when Trump came into office in his
7:03 second term, he did back away from
7:05 providing both military aid and economic
7:08 aid to Ukraine. Europe has stepped up.
7:11 Europe has filled the gap. And as a
7:13 consequence, if there is a deal here, it
7:16 has to be one that's acceptable to NATO,
7:19 to European allies, and to Ukraine. And
7:23 there's a separate discussion that
7:24 you're mentioning here about what about
7:27 extending the nuclear deterrent of
7:30 Britain and France, to Germany, to
7:31 Poland, to others. That's a conversation
7:34 that's occurring because of concern
7:37 about the direction of American foreign
7:39 policy. Is the United States going to
7:41 stay put as a member of NATO as a
7:43 country that extends its guarantee to
7:46 European allies? I think the answer to
7:49 that is yes, but given the way that
7:52 Trump has handled NATO, there is there
7:54 is uncertainty here. One other quick
7:56 point, there is a summit coming up next
7:59 week between Trump and she and Putin. I
8:03 think there's an outside chance here
8:05 that Trump can try to get the Chinese
8:07 leader to put pressure on Ukraine to
8:10 back off these maximalist demands. I'm
8:13 not hoping hopeful that that will
8:15 happen, but let's let's see if Trump can
8:18 somehow get China to put more pressure
8:20 on Russia.
8:22 >> Right? Not just one maximalist demand
8:24 right there. It's a list of it. A
8:26 territorial deal, a NATO concession, or
8:28 a change in the balance of power. What
8:30 does Putin want? That has been the
8:32 question from a long time. Thank you so
8:34 much again, professor, for your time and
8:36 for your insights.
8:38 >> My pleasure. Bye-bye.
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